Tesla driver who killed 2 people while using autopilot must pay $23,000, no jail

Post by nulld3v » Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 11:14 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

HPMOR wrote: post #3

The incentives in the United States strongly favor pedestrian fatalities and reckless driving. It is insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time. There’s a reason why fatalities on roadways continue to increase in the US. This is one of them.

> insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time Which component of justice— retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation and reparation [1]—is served by jailing this person? The only one I see is retribution. Given the families are pursuing damages, the reparation prerogative is better served with him out of jail (and not draining his assets fighting priso…

Post by Ekaros » Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 11:18 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

HPMOR wrote: post #3

The incentives in the United States strongly favor pedestrian fatalities and reckless driving. It is insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time. There’s a reason why fatalities on roadways continue to increase in the US. This is one of them.

> insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time Which component of justice— retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation and reparation [1]—is served by jailing this person? The only one I see is retribution. Given the families are pursuing damages, the reparation prerogative is better served with him out of jail (and not draining his assets fighting priso…

Post by ShamelessC » Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 11:20 PM UTC

aregreabn wrote: post #7

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Post by torstenvl » Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #13

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time Which component of justice— retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation and reparation [1]—is served by jailing this person? The only one I see is retribution. Given the families are pursuing damages, the reparation prerogative is better served with him out of jail (and not draining his assets fighting priso…

Retribution and deterrence certainly would work with reasonable penalty let's say 10 years per murdered person. Also that sort of sentence would work for incapacitation. As clearly 23k is not high enough to stop many people from repeating this crime...

Post by Ekaros » Sat, Dec 16, 2023, 11:27 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #14

Ekaros wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Retribution and deterrence certainly would work with reasonable penalty let's say 10 years per murdered person. Also that sort of sentence would work for incapacitation. As clearly 23k is not high enough to stop many people from repeating this crime...

> say 10 years per murdered person Sure. Nobody was murdered. > clearly 23k is not high enough to stop many people from repeating this crime That’s not the penalty. It’s a criminal conviction, the fine and probation. I don’t know the terms of the probation, but I assume it means he goes to jail for traffic infractions. Also, he’s going to pay a lot more than $23k given the civil case is ongoing.