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Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by Maxious »

slug wrote: post #39
lsc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

make sure you are comparing to the KVM prices; OpenVZ is cheaper because allocated ram is... not comparable to allocated ram in xen or kvm. It is a fair criticism, though; the KVM prices are comparable to Xen prices, and in that department, they have me beat for guests smaller than 1024M.[1] And you are right that it is time for me to increase my ram per dollar (and my transit per dollar) to remain in the niche where…

I would prefer more disk per dollar though. Besides that I'm a happy customer.

Agreed. I am constantly playing package management musical chairs.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by frisco »

jtchang wrote: post #33

I have a prgmr instance and don't have any issues with it. It is a great box to play around with and the cheapest you can possibly get. You kinda have to know what you are doing but they nailed their target audience.

I've been running a fair amount of infrastructure with them for a while now and I can't possibly recommend them highly enough. I remember there was a time a couple years ago when there was a queue to get a box with Luke. You have to know what you're doing and there are no training wheels attached, but they're awesome and has always been hugely helpful. I figured I'd just start out on them (being cheap) and eventually move off: but networking's been rock solid, and over the past couple years I've been able to work with them to get custom boxes for specific needs. Once I got a SMART condition warning on a dedicated box and they were on it basically instantly.

They know how to manage their network, they're colo'd in multiple top-tier DCs, and the prices are just impossible to beat. I'm able to run infrastructure comprising ~500GB RAM for literally 3% of the cost of EC2, with hugely better disk io to boot.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by mappu »

jtchang wrote: post #33

I have a prgmr instance and don't have any issues with it. It is a great box to play around with and the cheapest you can possibly get. You kinda have to know what you are doing but they nailed their target audience.

    the cheapest you can possibly get
It's cheap for Xen, but in the much more common case of not needing to swap out your own kernel, there are a huge variety of cheap FreeBSD and Linux OpenVZ VPSes available for around 15USD/year with decent enough storage and IPv6 (see lowendstock.com, no affiliation).. or did you mean, cheap at the high end?

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by lsc »

mappu wrote: post #43
jtchang wrote: post #33

I have a prgmr instance and don't have any issues with it. It is a great box to play around with and the cheapest you can possibly get. You kinda have to know what you are doing but they nailed their target audience.

the cheapest you can possibly get It's cheap for Xen, but in the much more common case of not needing to swap out your own kernel, there are a huge variety of cheap FreeBSD and Linux OpenVZ VPSes available for around 15USD/year with decent enough storage and IPv6 (see lowendstock.com, no affiliation).. or did you mean, cheap at the high end?

I hadn't heard of lowendstock.com. At first, I thought you had misspelt lowendbox.com (I've been listed once or twice, but other than that, no affiliation, and they didn't charge me for the listing, which is a good sign. Some sites require a cut to refer customers to providers; others require a flat fee; Me, I think this introduces a unhappy bias.)

Personally, I feel that a megabyte of ram in OpenVZ and a megabyte of ram in Xen are not directly comparable. (a megabyte in KVM and a megabyte in Xen are, I believe.) but yes, for some uses, OpenVZ works quite well, and it can be had for very little money.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by lsc »

slug wrote: post #39
lsc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

make sure you are comparing to the KVM prices; OpenVZ is cheaper because allocated ram is... not comparable to allocated ram in xen or kvm. It is a fair criticism, though; the KVM prices are comparable to Xen prices, and in that department, they have me beat for guests smaller than 1024M.[1] And you are right that it is time for me to increase my ram per dollar (and my transit per dollar) to remain in the niche where…

I would prefer more disk per dollar though. Besides that I'm a happy customer.

My plan in the upgrade was to offer people a choice between significantly more disk and significantly faster disk, but the way things have been shaping up (we're very slowly upgrading the customers that I re-ip'd) we've only had one or the other available at a time.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by lsc »

nknight wrote: post #38
lsc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

to be fair, I fixed a few real errors after I was pointed at this link; I was distracted by a meeting about more bandwidth before I could comment.

Speaking of bandwidth... Are you really not losing money on $1.15/mbps overage? How many 10gbps ports did it take before you got Cogent down that low?

5 gigs on a 10G port. $5000 one time setup for the 10G port. $0.65/mbps on the commit, $1.15/mbps on overage. That's my cost, so i guess I'm losing a tiny bit on my time, setup fees and equipment, but right now, I just want someone to split some of the monthlies with me. I really, really want that 10G port, though, as at those overages, I can oversubscribe my own commit, and if I oversubscribe too aggressively or one of my customers grows unexpectedly, just paying the overages won't be that big of a deal.

Bandwidth gets cheaper all the time, and I've been pestering them forever. I actually haven't inked that deal, and probably won't if nobody takes me up on it; I really only need about a gigabit, and I can get $1/Mbps bandwidth all day long. I have to decide by Tuesday or so. So far? nobody else seems interested, which tells me this isn't all that unusual of a deal. One guy I asked went off and is now getting his own line from Cogent.

Oh, also note, Cogent just wants the 5g commit from me. If I'm willing to pay the setup fees $2500 for a 1g port, $5000 for a 10G port) they will let me have 1G ports at that price; I just need a lot of 'em.

Turns out, though, selling bandwidth is harder than I thought.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by KaeseEs »

I must say that for no-frills hosting, prgmr has really done right by me. I was broke and didn't pay for a few months and they were able to set my vps right back up once i had cash, despite the fact i was no longer using the same credit card or email address; they really went the extra mile in terms of taking time to check who i was and once my identity was established, helping me out.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by K2h »

lsc wrote: post #36
jaysonelliot wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We assume you are not stupid" means they are making an assumption of intelligence, whereas "we don't assume you are stupid" means they make no assumption one way or the other. I wonder which is more appropriate?

My intent was to say, in a positive way, "If you are unwilling to learn how a serial console works, or how OpenSSH public key authentication works, I'll refund your money and send you to Linode."

That was exactly how I interpreted it when I read it originally.

I love the minimalist page by the way.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Post by whimsy »

minsight wrote: post #12
vasco wrote: post #11

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Everything is out of stock

I've been a customer for years. They're a great operation. Their owner is on hacker news with username lsc.

lsc owns buyvm, too? I don't think that's true.
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