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Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Many countries don't stamp your passport anymore, many that do don't put a date, and even if I relied on that information stamps are messy, out of order, and fading. The government probably has a list of international flights I've taken somewhere. I honestly don't think they will use it they probably don't deny citizenships because I missed a couple of trips (unlike, say, not reporting frequent trips to North Korea).…

Really? Which ones? Even if I get an e-visa, I get an in and out stamp. Not having these would invalidate the whole reason for having a passport.

> Really? Which ones?

the US (ESTA).

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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post #53

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Discovery is subject to oversight. The court signs off on the subpoena and your lawyer gets to argue why it's not valid before it does. No, "because I dislike you" isn't going to fly. But if you're in a legitimate feud with someone and they can make a real case that your location information is important evidence for the court to see, sure.

> your lawyer gets to argue why it's not valid What if you can't afford a lawyer?

Then don’t get in beefs with people who can afford a lawyer to subpoena your location.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

Have never found myself in and cannot imagine a circumstance where I'd need to know my precise location at a point in time years ago, or really even at any time other than the present.

Perhaps you’ll stay that way, but it’s pretty common.

For work, I have to produce reports of countries I’ve visited and dates. So looking at location history is pretty handy for remembering if I visited Sweden in 2018 or 2019. Etc etc.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Many countries don't stamp your passport anymore, many that do don't put a date, and even if I relied on that information stamps are messy, out of order, and fading. The government probably has a list of international flights I've taken somewhere. I honestly don't think they will use it they probably don't deny citizenships because I missed a couple of trips (unlike, say, not reporting frequent trips to North Korea).…

Really? Which ones? Even if I get an e-visa, I get an in and out stamp. Not having these would invalidate the whole reason for having a passport.

So many, really. It seems to depend on the agent. I’ve passed through US customs and not gotten stamped.

Israel famously does not. They’ll give you a small slip with your details on it. I was told that an Israeli stamp on your passport would automatically bar you from entry in many Arab states so they came up with another system

Also pretty much anytime I have entered the UK via the global entry lanes I never got stamped.

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Really? Which ones? Even if I get an e-visa, I get an in and out stamp. Not having these would invalidate the whole reason for having a passport.

Travel within the shengen zone is a one, you may get entry and exit stamps, but if you travel Germany and France there is no record.

so..... if that is not recorded by the government themselves why do they expect you to record them?

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Many countries don't stamp your passport anymore, many that do don't put a date, and even if I relied on that information stamps are messy, out of order, and fading. The government probably has a list of international flights I've taken somewhere. I honestly don't think they will use it they probably don't deny citizenships because I missed a couple of trips (unlike, say, not reporting frequent trips to North Korea).…

Really? Which ones? Even if I get an e-visa, I get an in and out stamp. Not having these would invalidate the whole reason for having a passport.

I just checked my passport and there are zero stamps for US border entries or exits in the last five years.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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post #103

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> Google is not known for respecting user privacy. As a Googler, I’m always confused by this sentiment. We live in times where car manufacturers reserve the right to collect and sell any data the car can sense, up to and including your sex life. But somehow Google does not sell or share any of your data with anyone, makes it public how it fights a lot of law enforcement overreach, even outright exits markets and suns…

To play devils advocate, there are a few reasons off the top of my head: 1. More people have phones than cars 2. Cars take someone to a general location (i.e a shopping mall carpark) but phones are precise enough to say which section of a store (or hospital) you are in 3. Car manufacturers can't inherently link the passengers of the car to the driver, or to each other 4. Manufacturers of cars don't have ads as a core…

2. Often that would be enough if other pieces of data can be linked to that time and location.

3. No, but based on driving patterns and sensor data, police can infer certain things.

4. Very soon. Very very soon.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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I disabled location history a while ago for privacy reasons. It was _so_ cool to look back and see where I went during trips, or where I was on a given day in college, but it felt weird that it could potentially be exposed to everyone in a leak. It's great to hear that Google is making such a big move. Google is not known for respecting user privacy.

> Google is not known for respecting user privacy. As a Googler, I’m always confused by this sentiment. We live in times where car manufacturers reserve the right to collect and sell any data the car can sense, up to and including your sex life. But somehow Google does not sell or share any of your data with anyone, makes it public how it fights a lot of law enforcement overreach, even outright exits markets and suns…

I mean, really? Let's see, Google is trying to force through Web Environment Integrity which would eventually obliterate any remaining semblance of privacy on the web, it has historically disrespected GDPR, it's trying to work around GDPR with a so-called "Privacy Sandbox" which is anything but, it's trying to sunset Manifest v3 which will take power away from Chrome users, just to name a few current & recent developments.

This is not an image/PR issue, Google really is doing Evil™ things.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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In theory, yes. But we wouldn't even be having this conversation if we had a functioning legal system, government agencies that respected people's rights, and government lawyers that didn't "interpret" constitutional protections out of existence behind closed doors.

I believe you that you feel that way. Your phrasing however is awfully close to a "no true scotsman" argument, because you seem to be talking about the USA, which by all means and measures still has a functioning legal system -- despite attacks from all sides, inlcuding major political parties. It produces predictable outcomes according to law and fundamental rights are respected. According to the World Justice Proje…

After the end of Roe v Wade, do you really want these nine justices, all of whom iirc said Roe v Wade is the settled law of the land, to decide whether you are a citizen?

Remember that the prosecution says anything no matter how trivial can be used to revoke citizenship. Does your HN username count as a nickname? Prosecution might say yes. And again this isn't about you or me. It is the same thing as dragnet surveillance. I don't matter but somewhere in our nation or beyond the next MLK or the next great activist will be born and I want them to be able to develop and achieve their goals without being caught up in gotchas.

It is for that person probably not yet born that I don't want a two tiered citizenship system.

Context from the New York Times

Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked about the failure to disclose an embarrassing childhood nickname. Justice Elena Kagan said she was a “little bit horrified to know that every time I lie about my weight it has those kinds of consequences.”

Mr. Parker said the law applied to all false statements, even trivial ones.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer said it was “rather surprising that the government of the United States thinks” that the naturalization laws should be “interpreted in a way that would throw into doubt the citizenship of vast percentages of all naturalized citizens.”

Chief Justice Roberts added that the government’s position would give prosecutors extraordinary power. “If you take the position that not answering about the speeding ticket or the nickname is enough to subject that person to denaturalization,” he said, “the government will have the opportunity to denaturalize anyone they want.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/us/politics/supreme-court...

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