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Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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#91
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I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

I also like having this data — fun to occasionally time travel. The earliest record I have is from June 16, 2015, anyone have earlier?

Unfortunately I don't have anything, as I don't like Google having my location.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#92
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discovery is subject to oversight. The court signs off on the subpoena and your lawyer gets to argue why it's not valid before it does. No, "because I dislike you" isn't going to fly. But if you're in a legitimate feud with someone and they can make a real case that your location information is important evidence for the court to see, sure.

> your lawyer gets to argue why it's not valid What if you can't afford a lawyer?

One will be appointed to you.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#93
post #5

I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

Hopefully it can still be downloaded from the device? Then you could just upload the export to a tool and view it, like people do with GDPR exports of other services. I've already looked into OpenTracks and Locus. Trying to find another app I trust to do this anyway...

You can't find one you trust, Android uses Google's location service to get your location. If you trust Google to uphold your "don't store this", you may be OK.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#94
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have never found myself in and cannot imagine a circumstance where I'd need to know my precise location at a point in time years ago, or really even at any time other than the present.

I travel quite a lot and I routinely look back at my trips from years ago to see what restaurants I visited and where I stayed. It shows me my path on a map and also shows my photos taken at each location which lets me relive my trips easily. It's quite an amazing feature most people don't even know exists.

Thats why i store bookmarks for visited 'places' (any suitable object' in OrganicMaps, separated by country (list) and category (=color).

For EXIF, there's f.e. PhotoMap for Android.

Would never put such data in the cloud. But i'm also neither on social media nor American nor app-loving, so...

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#95
The source for this is https://blog.google/products/maps/updates-to-location-histor....

> If you’re getting a new phone or are worried about losing your existing one, you can always choose to back up your data to the cloud so it doesn’t get lost. We’ll automatically encrypt your backed-up data so no one can read it, including Google.

> These changes will gradually roll out through the next year on Android and iOS, and you’ll receive a notification when this update comes to your account.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#96

Wait, I have so many questions. So will this data still be exportable? Will it be stored with the OS or with Maps? If with Maps, what happens if someone clears the app data? If with the OS, what happens to people without the most recent Android versions? How do you prevent accidentally losing the data just because you moved phones or lost yours or cleared the app data?

> If you’re getting a new phone or are worried about losing your existing one, you can always choose to back up your data to the cloud so it doesn’t get lost. We’ll automatically encrypt your backed-up data so no one can read it, including Google.

https://blog.google/products/maps/updates-to-location-histor...

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#97

Can they please just encrypt it client side and store it setverside with some key known only to me? For example, encrypt it with a key unlockable with my login password. All cloudy stuff should operate that way really, to maintain the users privacy expectation which is 'this data is only accessible to me, not my government'.

> If you’re getting a new phone or are worried about losing your existing one, you can always choose to back up your data to the cloud so it doesn’t get lost. We’ll automatically encrypt your backed-up data so no one can read it, including Google.

https://blog.google/products/maps/updates-to-location-histor...

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#98

I don't like this change. What's going to be their proposal on multi device data sync, especially including web browsers? During my trip, I just let my phone log the path. Then I edit/browse it on my desktop since it's very inefficient to do so on my phone. With this change, this flow becomes almost infeasible or at least very tedious.

I agree, but I think the headline is misleading. The data can still be backed up in the cloud. However, it will be end-to-end encrypted. It seems to me like the real issue is the inability of web apps to process end-to-end encrypted data. Are there any web standards efforts to solve this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homomorphic_encryption

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#99
post #81

I wonder if they'll implement a way to send the location history to the other devices of the same customer. Furthermore I expect that there will a way to move that data to a new device, even a new phone replacing a dead one. It's one of the reasons to buy a new one, it happened to me 2 times out of 3 since I had modern smartphones. The safest and most convenient way would be an encrypted backup to Google Drive (for A…

> If you’re getting a new phone or are worried about losing your existing one, you can always choose to back up your data to the cloud so it doesn’t get lost. We’ll automatically encrypt your backed-up data so no one can read it, including Google.

https://blog.google/products/maps/updates-to-location-histor...

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#100
post #5

I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

It was priceless when filling my naturalisation application, which required me to write the exact dates of every international trip I did in the past 5 years.

Also, it's great for trying to fit loose memories in dates and locations.

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