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How do you know that what was filtered was spam and not wrongthink ?
Wrongthink doesn't use a robot to post 20,000 copies?
But it's filtered already, both don't have any copies anymore.
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It's worth it in order to experience a more efficient discussion UI. The difficulty is in finding newgroups where actual worthwhile discussion is going on.
The problem with ham radio is, that most people are not that interested in the tech itself. In the past, even if you didn't care about tech, you could still buy some radio kit and join the hobby for the "chatting" part. Now, you can get 'chat' everywhere, a lot easier and cheaper to set up, and you also gain privacy (encryption, no real-world indentifiers etc.), although I prefer the "open forum" type of ham radio co…
> you can get the "chat"/discusson part everywhere now (reddit,...),
There's no organic discussion happening on reddit. Even the TV show subreddits are tightly moderated these days. If you try and 'discuss' in a way that invites genuine criticism and isn't just mindless cheerleading of the product on offer you'll find yourself railroaded off the site in short order, and the political/real-world/location subs are an order of magnitude more controlled.
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I think he's equating the different flavors of self professed socialists who get into a tizzy any time someone makes a joke online with Nazism. And also, I think it is deliberately hyperbolic so that only people with a sense of humor will refrain from getting in said predictable tizzy about it.
Looks like according to them it was not a joke at all, but a knowledge gap. Why did you find it funny?
I think it's funny because it's only to the people the term applies that it isn't funny to draw the comparison. It's like a joke about the people who don't get the joke, it's very meta and it's an inside joke that most people get.
Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's worth it in order to experience a more efficient discussion UI. The difficulty is in finding newgroups where actual worthwhile discussion is going on.
The problem with ham radio is, that most people are not that interested in the tech itself. In the past, even if you didn't care about tech, you could still buy some radio kit and join the hobby for the "chatting" part. Now, you can get 'chat' everywhere, a lot easier and cheaper to set up, and you also gain privacy (encryption, no real-world indentifiers etc.), although I prefer the "open forum" type of ham radio co…
You can’t get the efficient discussion UI of usenet clients anywhere, except maybe on mailing lists with a specialized mail client like Mutt. Usenets clients were peak discussion UI. Reddit is a far, far cry from it.
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FTP splitting the data and control ports was a smart implementation. It allowed for optimization of the ports (one focused on throughput) and meant that control could still occur even while long responses were happening on the data port.
I haven't tested it, but I imagine it allows you to trick an FTP server into making an HTTP request (without TLS). It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, and there was no way to know the problems without trying it. It also allows you to send a command to cancel an ongoing transfer.
Well... RFC 953 specifically mentions using PORT to send a file to a line printer so that seems intentional. [1]
For streaming mode STORe/RETRieve the connection closes at the EOF so you could send the request but the response would be lost.
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It is possible for the user to specify an alternate data port by
use of the PORT command. The user may want a file dumped on a TAC
line printer or retrieved from a third party host.Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet
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In the dark ages when internet access was limited and/or via dialup for most of us, there were several tools and protocols to work with what we had: email, ftp and usenet were some of the main ones. Usenet was basically a primordial set of distributed forums platform (and quasi-social network) where copies of the data were stored locally. It was how a lot of information got disseminated prior to the mid-90's when the…
IMO an analogy to modern times would be a federated Reddit. I'd liken it to Lemmy but don't have enough experience with it to be sure it doesn't ruin my analogy in some way :)
It's probably better, on a technical level, than any of the fediverse stuff. I understand that Usenet works as a gossip protocol with nodes sharing everything they have (and haven't filtered) while Fediverse usually relies on directly contacting the origin server over IP. The integration between different instances on Mastodon and Lemmy is nothing like Usenet. The integration in the Fediverse is limited to following users, liking posts and replying to posts on other servers, using your federated identity on your server.
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Its worth it in the same way that HAM radio is / is not worth it. You do it as a sort of lifestyle choice.
can you explain this a bit deeper?
Facebook and Reddit are better ways to talk to people, but you're already here on Hacker News so it's apparent they don't suit your tastes. If you're concerned about Internet centralization, learning other systems that may be less centralized is great, but you know you won't be using it to talk to people you'd talk to on Facebook. And if you're concerned about the Internet itself, you learn ham radio.
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Gopher is the next big thing.
I literally write a briefing paper advising my university to clamp down on the nascent web and continue with gopher which was much more systematic and organized. Clearly they ignored me as they should.
You're not wrong - the web is very disorganized. This makes it more valuable to shareholders, as they can design sites to present us with whatever extracts optimal value at the present moment. That's how Google gets to interpose itself between us and what we're looking for, and redirect us to SEO spam pages.
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The problem with ham radio is, that most people are not that interested in the tech itself. In the past, even if you didn't care about tech, you could still buy some radio kit and join the hobby for the "chatting" part. Now, you can get 'chat' everywhere, a lot easier and cheaper to set up, and you also gain privacy (encryption, no real-world indentifiers etc.), although I prefer the "open forum" type of ham radio co…
You can’t get the efficient discussion UI of usenet clients anywhere, except maybe on mailing lists with a specialized mail client like Mutt. Usenets clients were peak discussion UI. Reddit is a far, far cry from it.
Can you explain for us noobs why that is?