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Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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I'm not very knowledgeable about this, but from the charts I remember seeing during the Sequoia "buckle-up" PowerPoint, isn't it an undisputed fact that there has been an unsustainable boom in VC? Investment in VC has been independent of it's marginal profitability declining due to traditional deals becoming fewer and the recession in general.

The shift in what is funded is no surprise by now. The only questions are 1)if the new bio/green tech startups will be successful, and what the role for VC will be in other sectors and 2)What will happen to the current crop of VC firms now? As flattering as it is that funding in VC has remained constant, is it still a wise investment?

I don't know what the answer to these questions are, but they're the ones that stick in my mind. On a positive note, at least one stressful part of the Internet startup process is in decline.

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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post #17

It sounds overly optimistic. Why a total amount of money spent online should increase? More and more players are competing for the same or diminishing pie slice. Google can buy only so many startups after all.

Is money spent online really one category? Why should money spent at malls increase?

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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I agree with Paul's point, but it seems like the flip side of the equation is that most startups these days don't have the kind of big exits that internet giants like Amazon, Ebay, Yahoo and Google had (or even the mass market penetration that MySpace and Facebook have gotten for that matter). If a these new startups truly had the potential to capture huge markets, they would need the funding, because 3 guys in an apartment simply can't go after a $5bil opportunity. I think the phenomenon Paul describes is the result of 2 trends, not just one: 1) it's cheaper to start companies and 2) most startups are going after small markets (or whatever is left from big markets that bigger companies have already captured).

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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I think pg's right in regards to web startups. The only role I see for VC is in scaling sales and marketing. If you get your business to a point where you can spend $10 million on sales and marketing and turn it into $30 million, then taking VC makes a lot of sense. It gives you a lot of extra leverage.

I do hope VC thrives in other sectors - clean energy, hardware, automobiles, biotech - etc. If Kleiners-Perkins can make money off its CleanTech investments, the world will be a vastly better place.

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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post #18

This is an interesting perspective, but it seems to be (potentially) true of one class of startup, but there are many others, requiring much large amounts of money to start, that will still rely on VC funding. Software startups, specifically web startups, have been a favorite of VCs (for good reasons). If those startups no longer seek VC funding, will it trigger a renaissance in funding for other startup classes (e.g…

Biotech, greentech and embedded systems are a few areas that look poised to keep growing and need a more significant amount of capitalization to get off of the ground.

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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Would be possible to build a google/facebook/linked-in all the way to profit without significant cash up front?

Any business relying on network effects is going to need upfront cash. Since these types of business tend to become the fund-making "homeruns", I think VCs will stick around, doing what they are best at - chasing the big hit.

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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"we got a record number, up 40% from the same cycle a year before."

I agreed with much of this article, but not that line. A lot more people have heard of YCombinator since a year ago, so all else equal, you'd expect applications to rise over that period. So comparing the number of apps with the corresponding value from a year ago isn't a fair comparison.

Indeed, looking at http://siteanalytics.compete.com/ycombinator.com/?metric=uv we see that the number of unique visitors to ycombinator.com is up 3x from a year ago. But applications are only up 40%. To be fair, we probably can't expect applications to grow 3x since many of those visitors are international, or otherwise unlikely to apply to YC. But to make the statement pg wants to make, I think we need a better metric than raw growth in applications.

Re: Could VC be a Casualty of the Recession?

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post #27

Would be possible to build a google/facebook/linked-in all the way to profit without significant cash up front? Any business relying on network effects is going to need upfront cash. Since these types of business tend to become the fund-making "homeruns", I think VCs will stick around, doing what they are best at - chasing the big hit.

TicketStumbler, like any other marketplace, definitely relies on network effects. And, Google arguably doesn't rely heavily on network effects. Google's value to me (in the short run) is unaffected by how many other people use it.
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