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Twitch Reverses Policy on 'Artistic Nudity' After Just Two Days

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Re: Twitch Reverses Policy on 'Artistic Nudity' After Just Two Days

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Post by MeImCounting »

chromatin wrote: post #9
thegrim22 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the morals our societies have held for hundreds/thousands of years around moral decency and civility had a point. But I guess I'm glad you're wiser than all the generations that came before you, and you know better than all of them.

A sort of Chesterton's fence of morality, if you will.

I think the reason behind medieval "morality" is pretty well understood. I dont necessarily think HN is the best place to discuss this as it could be seen as pretty political. Regardless there is plenty of literature out there talking about this and it comes down to maintaining the hierarchy of the genders, property rights and religious sects seeking societal control (think Calvinism)

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Post by SilverBirch »

edflsafoiewq wrote: post #6
SilverBirch wrote: post #5

This issue would be much easier to solve if Twitch weren't owned by Amazon. Any platform is either porn or not porn. If you allow porn, if the porn is successful it'll drive everything else out. So either you have a platform that is not-porn, and bans porn, or it's porn and it's only got porn. The easy thing to do as a business would be to just have Twitch, and then have a sister company Twatch that allows porn. All…

Reddit and Twitter (and old Tumblr) all have robust porn and non-porn content.

You've named the two least profitable social media platforms. Reddit is just in the process of discovering that they're going to be non-porn, just like Tumblr did. Twitter... well twitter plays by special rules now.

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Post by bagful »

MeImCounting wrote: post #8
edflsafoiewq wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit and Twitter (and old Tumblr) all have robust porn and non-porn content.

I cant actually think of any website thats gone the way the parent describes. Most website that have both do fine having both and its always corporate puritan ethics that causes porn to become its own separate site.

I can only think of Gfycat, which spun off their adult content to a separate site, Redgifs; since then the individual sites have been acquired by different companies.

Re: Twitch Reverses Policy on 'Artistic Nudity' After Just Two Days

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Post by theonething »

__s wrote: post #10
thegrim22 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the morals our societies have held for hundreds/thousands of years around moral decency and civility had a point. But I guess I'm glad you're wiser than all the generations that came before you, and you know better than all of them.

This puritanism is neither so greatly long lived, nor globally distributed

It's been around for at least 2000 years.

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Post by belthesar »

MeImCounting wrote: post #3

Its wild that in the current year we are still allowing prehistoric puritan "ethics" to make decisions for us. I dont use twitch and never have but our societies sexual repression is so pervasive its shocking.

If you really want to look at the source of truth of why these decisions are made, all you have to do is Follow The Money. Two key reasons I can posit:

Advertisers do not want their products advertised next to adversarial content. The exodus of advertisers on Twitter/X is a great parallel - flood a user generated content platform with content that does not bode for positive brand associations, and brands stop paying. You can argue that it's "puritanical ethics" at play here if you'd like, but I see this more as wanting to associate their brands with mass market appeal.

Secondly, the moment you cross into pornographic content, your payment processors start bailing. This, in my opinion, plays more into your perception that mass standards for acceptable content influence the decision. I can't think of a major payment processor that permits their service to be used to pay for pornographic content, and that is because it's high risk. It's high risk because it's rife with chargebacks. Things like claims "I didn't pay for this!" when a partner happens to see a charge for a pornographic product, buyer's remorse as the truth of a parasocial relationship plays out to an unsatisfying conclusion, whatever the reason, payment processors just don't want to be associated with it.

You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but in a sense, this is companies choosing what markets they want to serve.

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Post by krapp »

thegrim22 wrote: post #7
MeImCounting wrote: post #3

Its wild that in the current year we are still allowing prehistoric puritan "ethics" to make decisions for us. I dont use twitch and never have but our societies sexual repression is so pervasive its shocking.

Maybe the morals our societies have held for hundreds/thousands of years around moral decency and civility had a point. But I guess I'm glad you're wiser than all the generations that came before you, and you know better than all of them.

The morals our societies held for hundreds/thousands of years were held to justify slavery, blood sacrifice, antisemitism, genocide, rape, witch hunts, inquisitions, white supremacy, child labor and countless other once noble and virtuous ends now considered among humanity's greatest atrocities and horrors. Of course that also depends on when and where you look, because those morals have also evolved over time even within the window of what one might consider "traditional values."

Yes, we can be wiser than all the generations that came before us. The premise that all morality and ethics were solved before humanity even learned to smelt iron is absurd.

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Post by ihuman »

bagful wrote: post #13
MeImCounting wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cant actually think of any website thats gone the way the parent describes. Most website that have both do fine having both and its always corporate puritan ethics that causes porn to become its own separate site.

I can only think of Gfycat, which spun off their adult content to a separate site, Redgifs; since then the individual sites have been acquired by different companies.

And now Gyfcat is dead, while the spinoff lives on

Re: Twitch Reverses Policy on 'Artistic Nudity' After Just Two Days

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Post by MeImCounting »

belthesar wrote: post #15
MeImCounting wrote: post #3

Its wild that in the current year we are still allowing prehistoric puritan "ethics" to make decisions for us. I dont use twitch and never have but our societies sexual repression is so pervasive its shocking.

If you really want to look at the source of truth of why these decisions are made, all you have to do is Follow The Money. Two key reasons I can posit: Advertisers do not want their products advertised next to adversarial content. The exodus of advertisers on Twitter/X is a great parallel - flood a user generated content platform with content that does not bode for positive brand associations, and brands stop paying.…

This is a great and thoughtful comment.

I think part of the sexual repression I was talking about is a big reason why porn is so popular and why: "Things like claims "I didn't pay for this!" when a partner happens to see a charge for a pornographic product, buyer's remorse as the truth of a parasocial relationship plays out to an unsatisfying conclusion, whatever the reason" are so prevalent.

It is a sad thing and something that I really wish we could address as a society but corporate owned streaming sites/other social media are really not the place for this type of conversation because of the inherently ad revenue based structure of these sites.

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