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the alternative is just continuing to sms people from your android because at least you know the messages are definitely going through, green bubble or not
SMS is not reliable. Messages are routinely lost.
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I can understand not trusting FB, but you have to give out the ID you want people to be able to find you by. What you give to Signal is probably less than what's in the phone directory. > I wish others services just did the same. Signal did, then someone convinced them that the risk of accidentally sending an SMS which you thought were an encrypted message, was bad enough to break messaging integration on Android. I…
Signal is strongly focused on secure communication, so it never made any sense for it to support SMS/MMS. I think bundling different protocols in the same app is a bad idea in general. Besides the security and functionality problems, it just creates confusion. The whole iMessage/bubble-color mess wouldn't exist if Apple made it clear to their users that the iMessage protocol is different from SMS and incompatible wit…
Signal always warned me very clearly if it was forced to send a message via SMS, and even pushed me to invite the recipient to Signal. It made sense to support it still, because it's the second most basic service in the Android world (after calls), and now that Signal doesn't offer it, it can't be the default service any longer.
Signal's task as I see it isn't just to protect your communication, but encourage widespread use of strong encryption so that you don't stand out for using it. For that, there are tradeoffs. I think being able to handle the forced insecure communication for the user, clearly marked as such, was a great tradeoff for the sake of wider adoption.
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Youre being downvoted but I also lose a message every few months between my girlfriend and I. We both have relatively new iPhones and exclusively use iMessage so I do think its some rare protocol bug.
I'm surprised so many people claim they haven't experienced it and I wonder how many have and just don't know.
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> what stops me from buying a second hand mac or a second hand iphone (for $150 each) and start 'doing business' with iMessage? Nothing, that's why iMessage is full of spam already. What scammers do is buying boxes of old half broken iphones and they turn them into relays exactly as you said.
I have never received a single spam message through iMessage, but regardless. If they have to keep buying new phones all the time as they get blacklisted, in order to keep spamming, the economics of spamming changes.
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I think saying its US only is oversimplifying, its at least also true in some european markets.
Which ones? I have friends (young and old) all over Europe and everyone uses WhatsApp. Everywhere I've been in Europe defaults to WhatsApp, even for business communication. Like, it's n=1, but still, my experience is quite broad.
I’m currently in Indonesia however, and it’s universal both privately and corporately.
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This assumes that all Beeper Mini users are spam, and that's a weird take. More charitably, perhaps you are saying spam will increase over previous levels. From what I understand, Apple does not have any spam prevention technologies in Messages at all, neither for incoming iMessages, nor for SMS messages-- so the only thing keeping your iMessage conversations free of them is the obscurity of the protocol. Perhaps the…
The same technology Beeper Mini uses to get onto iCloud can also be used by spammers, crooks, etc. to get onto iCloud. You either get both or none. Frankly, as a paying Apple customer, I want them to close this because I hate SPAM. Also, the obsession of iMessage seems very strange to me.
The solution to spam is to petition your government to crack down, or do server side filtering. Banning random phones is like playing whack a mole.
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This has been discussed ad nauseam. In the US, not being a "blue bubble" can have a very high social cost and get you excluded from groups and communication opportunities. People just want to be able to communicate without ridiculous walled garden vendors throwing stupid road blocks in their way and making things artificially harder to get you to "buy your mom an iphone."
That’s a ridiculous reason to demand an open protocol from Apple. I get that it sucks when you’re in high school and kids are massive jerks about social standing, but this can’t be a serious use case post college, right? Anecdotes about mean girls on Tinder dumping Android users don’t really seem compelling, either.
However, there are a lot of people who are impacted, and it's not always the case of the mean girl on tinder dumping an Android user. I know people who have group chats with family and friends, that will be left out because the iPhone is programmed to downgrade the entire group's chat if a single member is an Android user. This makes it so that messages don't work all the way, quality on images and video is garbage, and other legitimate usability concerns. Are super snooty, it's that it truly is very difficult to communicate from an iPhone to an Android phone.
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This has been discussed ad nauseam. In the US, not being a "blue bubble" can have a very high social cost and get you excluded from groups and communication opportunities. People just want to be able to communicate without ridiculous walled garden vendors throwing stupid road blocks in their way and making things artificially harder to get you to "buy your mom an iphone."
The fact that some people are snobs doesn’t justify the government dictating software specifications to Apple.
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If Americans are this dumb, I don't see why they need any laws to protect them. Why would I want to be part of any groups that won't have me because I don't use an iPhone? Thankfully, here outside America, this isn't an issue: absolutely no one uses SMS or cares about this stuff.
> If Americans are this dumb, I don't see why they need any laws to protect them. They aren't. The bubble color thing is an exaggerated claim and a lot of whining from a bunch of clowns. No one actually cares in the US except for a bunch of children (who are always prone to following trends for the sake of following the trend) and a handful of immature adults. The rest of the country doesn't know or care
We can disagree about solutions, but strawmanning stuff is dumb, and then dismissing the problem that you strawmanned is even more dumb
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My father has an iPhone 8 which did not receive the latest iOS update. I can iMessage him just fine. There are millions of people out there running old iPhones like that. If Apple just decided to cut them all off iMessage they would do far more damage to their brand than Beeper could possibly manage.
My mom has an iPhone 5s running iOS 12 (current is iOS 17, so the software itself is already five years old), and iMessage still works well.