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WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by pembrook »

bzzzt wrote: post #132
pembrook wrote: post #124

I've noticed the same issue with WebP and have gone back to JPG/PNG for most things (jpg for photos, png for UI-type images) I think the real problem is, like many of the commenters here, most people can't tell the difference because desktop monitors have been stuck in a deadzone of zero innovation for the last 10 years. I'm sure half the folks here are viewing his example images on a 2012-era HD 1920x1080 LCD, which…

I'm on a 27" 4K IPS screen here and have to squint/zoom in to see the difference the author is writing about. While it's nice some people really care for the best result I think most people aren't going to notice or care about it.

I'm guess it's also true that HN is definitely the wrong audience for this post. As the author suggests, if you spend all day in VScode/VIM, you're among the segment of computer users who looks at images the least as a percentage of time spent on a computer.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by INGSOCIALITE »

arp242 wrote: post #138
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #101

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This site made me add my first-ever global Stylus sheet: * { font-variant-ligatures:unset!important; } I'm pretty infuriated that this is necessary, why would someone abuse readability so much for their own personal satisfaction about how "cool and unique" they are? Usability. Comes. First.

It's their website. They can do with it whatever the hell they want with it. They owe random people on HN exactly nothing. And you can also do whatever the hell you want on your website, because that's your website. You also need to reset "font-feature-settings" by the way.

and he can globally remove whatever he wants from being displayed in his browser with global style overrides!

what a glorious world we live in

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by account42 »

izacus wrote: post #28
Latty wrote: post #7

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I must admit, I'm not sure why JPEG XL is viewed so favourably on HN, it's not something I know a ton about, but my understanding is that the big advantage of AVIF is that you can reuse hardware decoders built into devices for AV1 for the images. It being a strict improvement over JPEG is nice for the developers not having to go back to the source image for an upgrade, but that seems like a pretty small benefit that…

JPEG XL is viewed favorably on HN because it's the underdog to evil Google. Before they wrote their complaint article about Chrome removing support (after significant time of noone using the format), noone here gave it a thought. It's not like anyone is attacking Firefox for not enabling it either. This is not a format quality thing, this is "let's have a chance to complain about Google" thing again ;) I mean, this w…

What a shit take. JXL did have plenty favorable responses on HN before Google removed it for reasons that they never applied to their own formats. And FF did get plenty of complaints for not supporting JXL but those are often shut down with the opposite variant of your take.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by arp242 »

INGSOCIALITE wrote: post #142
arp242 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their website. They can do with it whatever the hell they want with it. They owe random people on HN exactly nothing. And you can also do whatever the hell you want on your website, because that's your website. You also need to reset "font-feature-settings" by the way.

and he can globally remove whatever he wants from being displayed in his browser with global style overrides! what a glorious world we live in

They didn't just add a tip how to override it, they said this should not be done at all.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by iSnow »

pembrook wrote: post #124

I've noticed the same issue with WebP and have gone back to JPG/PNG for most things (jpg for photos, png for UI-type images) I think the real problem is, like many of the commenters here, most people can't tell the difference because desktop monitors have been stuck in a deadzone of zero innovation for the last 10 years. I'm sure half the folks here are viewing his example images on a 2012-era HD 1920x1080 LCD, which…

I have an extremely hard time perceiving any difference on a 27" 4K monitor. I am not even sure I really see them.

The examples are just bad. If you want to show something, screenshot and enlarge it to show the artifacts.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by scrlk »

pembrook wrote: post #135
orbital-decay wrote: post #130

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>because desktop monitors have been stuck in a deadzone of zero innovation for the last 10 years. That's a weird thing to say unless the pixel density is your one and only measure. Regardless of that, the posterization should be perfectly visible on a 2012 FullHD monitor, or even a 1366x768 TN screen of a decade-old laptop. Most commenters here are probably viewing the pictures on a scale different from 1:1.

> That's a weird thing to say unless the pixel density is your one and only measure. Is it though? We now have OLED TVs and OLED smartphones. Where's our OLED PC monitors? On every measure, if you care about colors/contrast/black+white levels/resolution/density, the average computer monitor has fallen far behind. You can't even buy a smartphone that has a panel half as bad as most PC monitors on the market. And, at l…

> Where's our OLED PC monitors?

https://www.displayninja.com/oled-monitor-list/

Mainly targeted towards the gaming market at the moment.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by loeber »

rambambram wrote: post #147

I might be missing something because I never delved into it, but my problem with WebP is I can't save images this way from my browser. Well, I can save them, but they don't show up when I try to view them on my system (Ubuntu Mate 20.04 on RPi4).

Yeah same. Huge annoyance. I just want to stick to the same-old universally-compatible file formats I've always enjoyed everywhere.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by izacus »

account42 wrote: post #143
izacus wrote: post #28

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JPEG XL is viewed favorably on HN because it's the underdog to evil Google. Before they wrote their complaint article about Chrome removing support (after significant time of noone using the format), noone here gave it a thought. It's not like anyone is attacking Firefox for not enabling it either. This is not a format quality thing, this is "let's have a chance to complain about Google" thing again ;) I mean, this w…

What a shit take. JXL did have plenty favorable responses on HN before Google removed it for reasons that they never applied to their own formats. And FF did get plenty of complaints for not supporting JXL but those are often shut down with the opposite variant of your take.

As I work with codecs I've been following the situation quite closely and the attention to XL was pretty much zero until Google decided to not support it.

Moreover, this whole topic is about a comparison over a SINGLE IMAGE. Anyone who ever came close to codecs would immediately dismiss this as ridiculous. Yet here we are.

Re: WebP is so great except it's not (2021)

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Post by xmcqdpt2 »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #131
xmcqdpt2 wrote: post #72

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Ligatures are old fashioned in English but still very common in French. Some ligatures are actually mandatory (like the oe in cœur, heart) while others like st are pretty common in proper typefaces such as those used for novels. The author is probably French (Aurélien).

I've been writing almost exclusively in cursive for my entire life past age 8 and that font looks crazy to me. I learned both D'Nealian and Zaner-Bloser in different schools and have seen a lot of my grandmother's writing, which was semi-Spenserian. The stroke just doesn't go in the right direction for those ligatures. My guess is that this font is based on a French (or maybe other latin) script.

These ligatures are definitely French ligatures. See for example this picture from French wikipedia,

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ligature_typograph...

But also French typographical ligatures (well beyond the syntactic ones that are mandatory) aren't really related to cursives, they are a typographical convention. like the cursive s doesn't look like s and wouldn't have a ligature with t from the top of the t in cursive. (However, at least for French cursives it's common to do a single cross for double tt which I guess is a ligature?)

I also only learned cursives in school. In fact writing in script was forbidden and not taught at all.

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