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Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by jorvi »

Anon826 wrote: post #36
jorvi wrote: post #13

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That ship has sailed. If I look at my Dock right now, from left to right I'm running: - Nautilus - Brave (Chromium) - Gnome-terminal - VSCode (Electron) - Telegram Desktop (̶E̶l̶e̶c̶t̶r̶o̶n̶ QT)[1] - WhatsApp (web wrapper in Electron)[1] - Discord (Electron) - Spotify (Chromium Embedded Framework) - Betterbird (Gecko, might as well be Electron) - TickTick (Electron) - Steam (Chromium Embedded Framework) In a way it i…

> And I don't really buy the "Chromium gives Google power over the web", as it is permissively licensed, and there is at least one other giant stakeholder in the form of Microsoft. Google completely controls Chromium, it is their project, they decide what patches are accepted into the code. Microsoft Edge just like Brave and the other forks all depend on Google for the actual code, all they do is add some minor featu…

You have a deep misunderstanding of what "control" means.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by tlivolsi »

DavideNL wrote: post #85
tlivolsi wrote: post #74

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They now have an option to enable searching message body text if you click the search bar in the web client.

yes, and to use it: > ”you need to download/index the data locally (due to encryption on the server)”

I didn't realize that since I never clicked "Enable." That's unfortunate.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by protonmail »

teekert wrote: post #17

I love Proton, I use them for my business. Sure they are missing some things. The calendar is too basic, no widget. Drive does not have a Linux client and no rsync support or anything useful. And now there is no desktop app For Linux (it's not electron?). BUT, I love the webapp and they bring a steady stream of nice improvements, and what currently exists works very well. They are a company with the right values so I…

We're happy to hear this. We're planning to make the Proton Mail Linux app available early next year.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by protonmail »

politelemon wrote: post #68
grammers wrote: post #52

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Tutanota has got a Linux app, and the Android app is available on F-Droid. I love what both companies are trying to achieve with building private ecosystems, but for me Linux must always come first. Everyone who loves privacy has switched to Linux by now.

I use Linux as a litmus test, is that the term, to see how serious a company is about privacy. Without a Linux presence, it's privacy marketing or just lip service. I might still use the product on another OS simultaneously, but I need to know that the control point exists.

You can use Proton Mail on Linux already via our Proton Mail Bridge: https://proton.me/mail/bridge. We plan to make the Proton Mail Linux native app available in early 2024.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by protonmail »

ravenstine wrote: post #48

Maybe this will turn out to be a very good thing, but with the degraded quality of their mobile app and the languishing state of the web app, I can't help but feel like a desktop app for Proton Mail is a distraction at this point. Granted, there is a rewrite of their mobile app in progress to fix serious performance issues, but that should be finished first before even thinking about a brand new desktop app. At the s…

Thank you for your feedback. Note that different teams are working on the Android and desktop apps, so we can develop them simultaneously. We have, in fact, in the last quarter only, shipped 38 different improvements to the Proton Mail and Calendar mobile and web apps: https://proton.me/blog/mail-calendar-improvements-2023. We are working hard on the re-written Proton Mail Android app (we have just started the rollout of the latest version on the Google Play store). We recommend that you check it out and provide feedback - all feedback we receive helps us improve our services.

The same applies to the Proton Mail web app - feel free to report any issues to us at: https://proton.me/support/contact.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by pcdoodle »

mngdtt wrote: post #15
haswell wrote: post #12

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Webmail requires an active Internet connection. A desktop client lets me work in more environments/situations, and acts as a kind of local backup/cache of my communications. It also makes focusing on email easier. I dislike having to dive into tab sprawl to read/write email.

webmail works fine without an internet connection, gmail does it. You need to write a PWA.

No thanks on the gmail, it's not really email.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by commoner »

protonmail wrote: post #93
teekert wrote: post #17

I love Proton, I use them for my business. Sure they are missing some things. The calendar is too basic, no widget. Drive does not have a Linux client and no rsync support or anything useful. And now there is no desktop app For Linux (it's not electron?). BUT, I love the webapp and they bring a steady stream of nice improvements, and what currently exists works very well. They are a company with the right values so I…

We're happy to hear this. We're planning to make the Proton Mail Linux app available early next year.

While I will appreciate the Proton Mail Linux app when it is eventually released, I refuse to pay for a Proton Unlimited, Proton Family, or Proton Business subscription until Proton Drive has a free and open source client for Linux.

There are currently 3,609 people on your user feedback forum requesting a Linux client for Proton Drive: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/...

Linux support is essential for cross-platform privacy-oriented services. I hope your company is able to provide a specific timeline for when Linux will be supported in Proton Drive, instead of ignoring Linux completely like your company is doing in your product roadmap (https://proton.me/blog/proton-drive-roadmap).

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by teekert »

commoner wrote: post #97
protonmail wrote: post #93

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We're happy to hear this. We're planning to make the Proton Mail Linux app available early next year.

While I will appreciate the Proton Mail Linux app when it is eventually released, I refuse to pay for a Proton Unlimited, Proton Family, or Proton Business subscription until Proton Drive has a free and open source client for Linux. There are currently 3,609 people on your user feedback forum requesting a Linux client for Proton Drive: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/... Linux support is e…

This reeks a bit of misplaced entitlement. Proton, as any company, has limited resources, and they focus it where it counts for their business.

This means that for almost anything, be it gaming, office suites or video editors, we are a minority. And we have to live with less attention. It's just how it is.

Sure we can make requests and provide feedback, but we have no rights. If you ask me we don't even have the right to responds with slight annoyance.

We may just hope that even though we are a minority, perhaps companies may recognize the following things in us:

- they do earn enough directly of off us to justify support

- they trust that us techies take the tech we use at home to work

- We are superior bug finders and reporters and may earn our support that way

We are not entitled to anything though, and companies must also realize that in the end we too will vote with our wallets.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by commoner »

teekert wrote: post #98
commoner wrote: post #97

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While I will appreciate the Proton Mail Linux app when it is eventually released, I refuse to pay for a Proton Unlimited, Proton Family, or Proton Business subscription until Proton Drive has a free and open source client for Linux. There are currently 3,609 people on your user feedback forum requesting a Linux client for Proton Drive: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/... Linux support is e…

This reeks a bit of misplaced entitlement. Proton, as any company, has limited resources, and they focus it where it counts for their business. This means that for almost anything, be it gaming, office suites or video editors, we are a minority. And we have to live with less attention. It's just how it is. Sure we can make requests and provide feedback, but we have no rights. If you ask me we don't even have the righ…

It's not "entitlement" to share my purchasing preferences with Proton. I am glad to pay for Proton Mail subscriptions, but I am unwilling to pay for Proton Drive subscriptions (including Proton subscription bundles) until Proton releases a free and open source Proton Drive client for Linux. This is a perfectly rational position to take, since nobody wants to pay for things they aren't able to properly use.

I'm not the only one who is demanding a Proton Drive client for Linux. On Proton's user feedback forum, this feature is the second-most highly voted suggestion for Proton Drive: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/932839-proton-drive/...

While you're certainly able to communicate with Proton however you like, it's not anyone's place to tell me and other Linux users what we can say to Proton on an online forum or whether we're allowed to express annoyance. There's no better way to let Proton know how I will vote with my wallet than to tell them directly.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by teekert »

commoner wrote: post #99
teekert wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reeks a bit of misplaced entitlement. Proton, as any company, has limited resources, and they focus it where it counts for their business. This means that for almost anything, be it gaming, office suites or video editors, we are a minority. And we have to live with less attention. It's just how it is. Sure we can make requests and provide feedback, but we have no rights. If you ask me we don't even have the righ…

It's not "entitlement" to share my purchasing preferences with Proton. I am glad to pay for Proton Mail subscriptions, but I am unwilling to pay for Proton Drive subscriptions (including Proton subscription bundles) until Proton releases a free and open source Proton Drive client for Linux. This is a perfectly rational position to take, since nobody wants to pay for things they aren't able to properly use. I'm not th…

I didn't realize you were already a customer.

Fwiw, I agree with you, a good Linux client (or better, an API, so we can get Nautilus and Dolphin etc integration) would be great and I'd also pay more for a subscription, since now it can be a backup for my pictures.

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