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Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by danw1979 »

jen20 wrote: post #38
debarshri wrote: post #7

It is interesting to see how hashicorp went from an underdog company with vagrant to a company to aspire for with terraform, nomad, consul, vault to something that orgs and community dread, all within a decade. Standards that they have set are still industry wide relevant. But you can see they are on a negative path.

This is a weird take. If anything, Nomad, Consul and Vault are on the ascent, as the realities of the CNCF ecosystem set in for people with results to deliver.

It’s not really. For a long time their products were open source, free to use and widely adopted by the tinkering masses. Now the company has shareholders, is chasing the big juicy enterprise customers and has a pricing structure that would make Oracle blush (hyperbole, but still…).

It’s a different beast than the company Mitchell founded and that HN knew and loved, that’s all.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by demizer »

aetimmes wrote: post #114
jen20 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a weird take. If anything, Nomad, Consul and Vault are on the ascent, as the realities of the CNCF ecosystem set in for people with results to deliver.

Nomad is dead in the water. When you talk to Consul support engineers, they assume you're using kubernetes, and are confused if you tell them you're using Nomad, _a product that their company makes_.

Nomad will be there when managed k8s gets too expensive. I was looking at it seriously last year for on prem. I chickend put bcz I didn't want to be the only person on my team that understood it. We still don't have a solution, but nomad will be there for when we are ready to progress, regardless of the license.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by ergocoder »

fishnchips wrote: post #2

Drop the “Hashi”. Just Corp. It’s cleaner. Jokes aside, it's an end of an era. Mitchell has always been one of my role models both as an amazing engineer and a really decent, humble human being. I'm really looking forward to other amazing things he's going to build.

Or change it to ArmonCorp to balance it out.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by elAhmo »

mitchellh wrote: post #15

We've gone full circle! I originally launched Vagrant here on HN in 2010, which was at the top of HN very briefly for the day. Now here I am 14 years later witnessing my departure post in that very same spot. A strange experience! Thanks for the support over the years. A lot of the initial community for the projects I helped start came from here.

Good luck and thanks for everything! It is very hard to make such a big impact on millions of developers and companies around the world like you did.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by _cenw »

demizer wrote: post #132
aetimmes wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nomad is dead in the water. When you talk to Consul support engineers, they assume you're using kubernetes, and are confused if you tell them you're using Nomad, _a product that their company makes_.

Nomad will be there when managed k8s gets too expensive. I was looking at it seriously last year for on prem. I chickend put bcz I didn't want to be the only person on my team that understood it. We still don't have a solution, but nomad will be there for when we are ready to progress, regardless of the license.

Why would managed k8s get more expensive?

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by _cenw »

echelon wrote: post #5
password4321 wrote: post #3

Is there any one individual or group responsible for HashiCorp's switch to BSL? From what I saw Mitchell let go of running the company and now that HashiCorp is not so cool anymore it's time to get out.

They built a ton of value, were unable to capitalize on it (just like early Docker), and when they tried to capture the value of the thing they built it pissed off the open source ecosystem (and all the profitable companies) built on top. They should have thought about this a long, long time ago. I feel for the smaller companies, but I feel for big companies that come in and plunder because of open license terms.

The thing is, Terraform Cloud could've been good, but it's not. And now it prices a K8S cluster the same as a DNS record. (and both too high for glorified object storage)

And Vault Enterprise could've been something I can justify to my EM to to ensure it continues to exist (and get namespaces and slow support as a bonus). But they asked way too much.

It also doesn't help they started prioritizing bugs almost solely based on support contracts, even trivial fixes you submit don't get merged for months to years.

They built products and thought everything else would just fall into place. And unfortunately it doesn't.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by jdwithit »

voytec wrote: post #18
password4321 wrote: post #3

Is there any one individual or group responsible for HashiCorp's switch to BSL? From what I saw Mitchell let go of running the company and now that HashiCorp is not so cool anymore it's time to get out.

> Is there any one individual or group responsible for HashiCorps switch to BSL? IBM, would you choose to trust statements[1] posted from a throwaway account [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38579504

Clicking "parent" on this post a couple times yields some more context. Seems like the claim the throwaway account is making is that IBM pulling Vault into their IBM Cloud offering was the catalyst for relicensing everything. Terraform and other Hashi projects just got caught up in a blanket policy change.

Had not heard the IBM angle before and spent a few minutes digging.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by jdwithit »

_cenw wrote: post #136
echelon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They built a ton of value, were unable to capitalize on it (just like early Docker), and when they tried to capture the value of the thing they built it pissed off the open source ecosystem (and all the profitable companies) built on top. They should have thought about this a long, long time ago. I feel for the smaller companies, but I feel for big companies that come in and plunder because of open license terms.

The thing is, Terraform Cloud could've been good, but it's not. And now it prices a K8S cluster the same as a DNS record. (and both too high for glorified object storage) And Vault Enterprise could've been something I can justify to my EM to to ensure it continues to exist (and get namespaces and slow support as a bonus). But they asked way too much. It also doesn't help they started prioritizing bugs almost solely b…

I've never personally used paid Vault but what you said, that they "asked way too much" is the constant refrain I've heard about it. Much like Splunk, it seems like there's an extra zero on the quote for smaller use cases.

Employees gotta eat, I don't begrudge them trying to sell the software. But it seems like they went for the Lamborghini business model when maybe what the market was looking for was Honda.

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by antupis »

ksec wrote: post #108
mitchellh wrote: post #15

We've gone full circle! I originally launched Vagrant here on HN in 2010, which was at the top of HN very briefly for the day. Now here I am 14 years later witnessing my departure post in that very same spot. A strange experience! Thanks for the support over the years. A lot of the initial community for the projects I helped start came from here.

Just the Link. It all started here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1175901 Vagrant: A tool for building and distributing virtual development environments (vagrantup.com) 129 points by mitchellh on March 8, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 28 comments I still remember reading that post on HN. And subsequently Vagrant took off. Cant believe it is nearly 14 years! Thank You Mitchell for everything as I am (still) u…

Is there somewhere a list of these big stuff that launched in the HN, eg this and Dropbox https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863 .

Re: Mitchell reflects as he departs HashiCorp

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Post by bg24 »

mitchellh wrote: post #15

We've gone full circle! I originally launched Vagrant here on HN in 2010, which was at the top of HN very briefly for the day. Now here I am 14 years later witnessing my departure post in that very same spot. A strange experience! Thanks for the support over the years. A lot of the initial community for the projects I helped start came from here.

Big fan of your products (Vagrant, Terraform, Vault, Consul). Thank you for the amazing contributions to the community. Best wishes.
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