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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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The nightmare is over? I've used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It's been a huge source of spam and annoyance. Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Th…

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays? In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true. Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

no. it's just a tcp client/server model like any other. your isp probably won't let you host services but that's been the case for decades

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays? In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true. Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

no. it's just a tcp client/server model like any other. your isp probably won't let you host services but that's been the case for decades

> your isp probably won't let you host services but that's been the case for decades

How would your ISP know?

NNTP originally was originally store-and-forward over dialup like links, no?

So, if I contact a different server and upload/download the changed data, how would they even know?

I guess the big issue would be having some "rendezvous" server in order to help with NAT punching as well as authentication.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #74

Great. Now let's revive Usenet and make it a bit complicated as having to use a specialized reader app like tin and make it a resort for people who are a bit sick of the New Internet.

Sounds like a good complement for Project Gemini

https://geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gmi

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #23

Can Google just fucking kill this? Literally all my recruiter spam is coming from groups. Even when I worked at Google internally I raised a ticket with full info of what’s going on and they still haven’t fixed it. (Yes I have the “can’t add me to groups” button on).

Recruiter spam - wait is Usenet an alternate route to finding a new job?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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I very recently have been accepted as the moderator of an abandoned, moderated group.

As such, I needed to find a Usenet provider who would accept posting into moderated groups, from a moderator.

I originally contacted Eternal September, and Wolfgang informed me my account had been configured to allow such posting, but it does not work ("account not authorized") and now he does not respond to email.

I then contacted four commercial providers, all of whom did not know about moderated groups, and either failed to respond in a timely manner (a week) or failed to grasp the concept of moderated groups;

1. Giganews

2. Tweaknews

3. Eweka

4. Usenetserver

Giganews first line support did not know about moderated news-groups. I explained, and once the support staffer understood, a support ticket was created. Giganews claim a few hours response time. When asked about this, they then say up to three days. After seven days, I cancelled the support ticket.

Tweakness, Eweka and Usenetserver I think are in fact the same company. I could be completely wrong, but they all use the same support software, have the same options in the drop down lists on their sites, and so on.

All did not know about moderated news-groups, and all were unable to grasp the concept, and all then went into that failure mode, where support is giving the wrong answers to questions, not paying attention to what is written, not reading the history of communication, and so finally going into a loop which consisted of them telling me "you need an account to post" (where they meant posting normally - not as a moderator), which they had said before, and which I had replied to before (explaining again about moderated news-groups, to which they explained Usenet is not moderated and anyone can post, etc, etc, etc).

After two weeks, I gave up with them.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no. it's just a tcp client/server model like any other. your isp probably won't let you host services but that's been the case for decades

> your isp probably won't let you host services but that's been the case for decades How would your ISP know? NNTP originally was originally store-and-forward over dialup like links, no? So, if I contact a different server and upload/download the changed data, how would they even know? I guess the big issue would be having some "rendezvous" server in order to help with NAT punching as well as authentication.

The protocol is from the era where each protocol used a dedicated TCP port rather than "it's all JSON over HTTPS" like now.
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