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You absolutely can be phobic (read: afraid) towards certain cultures and religious values. It is not a secret that people from abrahamic countries more often get their - conservative - values from religion than people in the west nowadays do.

As a bisexual man who has a lot of connections / friends in the gay community, we are afraid and for good reason. People like me suffer from violence every day in the middle east and europe is actively importing massive numbers of immigrants into our place of living who more often than not hold opinions completely different than what I would call „western values“ - and they are much closer to actively showing violence against gay people than the natives who hold „moral conflictions“.

Attacks on gay people are on the rise and whereas gay people had no problem holding hands or showing affection out in the open even in Germany 15 years ago, they are much more cautious now.

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Interesting. The researcher correctly states that economic concerns are only an excuse. But he never asks why people object to reducing their homelands to mere economic zones. This is typical of such research - their goal (openly stated in this interview) is to undermine national identity and promote immigration. He does not ask or propose what we should do instead of mass immigration - he is only concerned how to co…

I'm interested to hear alternatives. The only one I've ever heard is that countries should promote fertility amongst the existing citizenry, and that has a lot of opposition from feminists for obvious reasons.

Alternative: increase productivity and automate so smaller populations still have more goods and services.

(Consider the post black-death boom: I personally see very little problem with becoming fewer but richer; Unus sed Leo)

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I don't like the tactic of claiming that someone who opposes your ideas has some sort of phobia.

What would you call people who are afraid of others, if not xenophobes?

Correctly cautious, if their lifestyle of freedom and democracy is directly threatened.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you call people who are afraid of others, if not xenophobes?

Correctly cautious, if their lifestyle of freedom and democracy is directly threatened.

Fair enough; I just (perhaps because I live in a country that has had several waves of immigration over the last half century, all of whom largely assimilate within half a generation?) don't believe the antecedent, so my consequent would be "incorrectly cautious". Feel free to call me a xenophile if you wish.

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Everyone "knows" what is coming with Global Warming. The Syrian refugee crisis was a very minor dry run, and the world failed. In a similar fashion to Covid being a "minor" pandemic by historical / black death standards, being a dry run to see the mass discipline of modern society (it UTTERLY failed). The world does not have the current capacity to handle mass population migrations of possibly a billion people that g…

Stipulating for the purpose of conversation this claim:

> Four decades of war on the middle class by the elites in America have seen steady ratcheting of less and less thinly veiled racism.

If the former "middle class" feels wronged by rich people, why should they be taking out these frustrations on poor people?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

30,000 years worth of missing genetic immunity to essentially every disease imaginable wiped out native populations in the Americas and precipitated the collapse of civilizations there, actually.

That's irrelevant. The point of the story, if you missed it, is that Europeans were not interested in adopting the Native American way of life and assimilating. Cortez didn't arrive in Mexico and swear loyalty to the local king, and adopt their religion

It is relevant as most migrations in Eurasia for centuries were not of replacement but of assimilation kind.

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Only in the West is valuing (and wanting to protect) your own culture now seen as extremist and hateful. For everyone else and pretty much all of human history it is and was the norm.

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Only in the West is valuing (and wanting to protect) your own culture now seen as extremist and hateful. For everyone else and pretty much all of human history it is and was the norm.

How does xenophobia either value or protect the West's own post-parochial culture?

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> The key check on rising xenophobia is to limit the options for the xenophobe to enjoy the cover of anonymity. This could both blunt the current trends in xenophobia and limit many opportunities to socialize a new generation to be intolerant. Xenophobia deserves the same categorization as other widely reviled forms of bigotry. I suppose we could erect pillories and publicly shame secret xenophobes, and take away the…

I found a little strange too, the author complains that it is a slipping-of-the-mask and suggests that to stamp out xenophobia we pillory those openly exhibiting it...surely that just takes us back to square one.

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You absolutely can be phobic (read: afraid) towards certain cultures and religious values. It is not a secret that people from abrahamic countries more often get their - conservative - values from religion than people in the west nowadays do. As a bisexual man who has a lot of connections / friends in the gay community, we are afraid and for good reason. People like me suffer from violence every day in the middle eas…

> Attacks on gay people are on the rise

By Ausländer or by AfD-or-further types?

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