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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#81
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2) There is no administrative ostracism. Nobody gets kicked out by brownshirts for expressing their view. To be clear, you are on record as equating content moderation on private platforms with Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung#:~:text=The%20S... .

I think he's equating the different flavors of self professed socialists who get into a tizzy any time someone makes a joke online with Nazism. And also, I think it is deliberately hyperbolic so that only people with a sense of humor will refrain from getting in said predictable tizzy about it.

Looks like according to them it was not a joke at all, but a knowledge gap. Why did you find it funny?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#82
post #72
post #9

The nightmare is over? I've used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It's been a huge source of spam and annoyance. Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Th…

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays? In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true. Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

Guess it's hard to get others sync with you?

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#83
post #28
post #23

Can Google just fucking kill this? Literally all my recruiter spam is coming from groups. Even when I worked at Google internally I raised a ticket with full info of what’s going on and they still haven’t fixed it. (Yes I have the “can’t add me to groups” button on).

Internal Google tickets have If you know anyone still there, just have a peek at all the internally opened tickets about bricked Android phones. Their processes are...messy.

following linux process priority schema "negative" would mean elevated.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#84
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you realize that you have given a link to an encyclopedia to show the definition of a word. The fifth edition of the American Heritage Dictionary, published in 2011, already gave a second definition of brownshirt: >A racist, especially a violent, right-wing one.[0] Oxford Dictionary has an even broader definition[1] As noted by other users, "brownshirt" is also used to describe "anyone in authority."[2] I actu…

You are working really hard to gaslight a clearly Nazi thing as a non-Nazi thing. Sturmabteilung is Brownshirt is a Nazi, period.

Why haven't you asked why I have recast "nazi" into meaning

>A person who is perceived to be authoritarian, autocratic, or inflexible; one who seeks to impose his or her views upon others[0]?

I am not working to recast anything. You conflated a moral argument that one should not use words that reference Nazism in any way with a factual evaluation of the meaning of the word necessarily being the object of that reference. Had you said "the usage of 'brownshirt' to mean 'one who abuses power' is not considered appropriate" that would be a different matter. What you said, however, is factually wrong; there is no equivalence being made between Nazism and "content moderation." That is to say, you should have said that the second definition is not appropriate, instead of denying it's existence to then change the meaning of the sentence such that it is then equating content moderation on private platforms with Nazism. Unless by "equating" you meant "to make comparable" where "comparable" means "an examination of two or more items to establish similarities and dissimilarities." I should mention that Oxford does not have "comparable" in "equating" and the definition of comparable above is almost certainly not what is meant by "equating" in any event.

I personally have never used "brownshirt" to mean "authoritarian." My motivation for my initial post was to show you with a simple double-meaning comment that words can have multiple meanings.

[0] https://oed.com/search/advanced/Meanings?textTermText0=nazi&...

see also: https://merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Nazi

https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=nazi

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#86
post #14

Part of the background for this is that over the past month or more, Usenet has been under an unprecedented spam attack from Google Groups that Google isn't doing anything about. People have resorted to filtering everything coming from Google Groups, with a white list, and there are voices calling for de-peering of Google Groups from the Usenet federation.

And it is also /interesting/ that the evil one's [1] blog post mentions "and spam" as a reason for this, but fully fails to mention that 99.8% of the "spam" flood is coming from their own system. [1]google

That's got you play the metrics game.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#87
post #9

The nightmare is over? I've used Usenet for years. Most serious users filter out any post originating from G2 to do away with Google posts. It's been a huge source of spam and annoyance. Usenet gets better as it gets smaller, honestly. Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active. Several groups in the comp* hierarchy are active. Th…

> Most groups are carcasses these days, but several have regular use. comp.misc, misc.news.internet.discuss, and sci.misc are active.

misc.news.internet.discuss and sci.misc are bascially a single person posting links without any discussion.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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post #82
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason why you can't run your own Usenet server nowadays? In the old days, the issues were that bandwidth and disk were expensive. That's no longer true. Is there a techncial reason we can't have individuals running NNTP nodes?

Guess it's hard to get others sync with you?

The principle use-case for Usenet has always been small, controlled-access networks.

That's what ARPANET and the early Internet were, where "small" meant The Matrix (1990):

https://archive.org/details/matrixcomputerne0000quar/page/24...>

Spinning up an NNTP group for internal company communications, for a family group, or for a (sufficently tech-savvy) organisation or hobby group would be a viable option. My experience is that peak group experience tends to occur with somewhere between about 5 and maybe 1,000 participants on the high end, and that's being generous. In practice, 5--50 is probably a better sweet spot.

The technology isn't the stumbling point nearly so much as convincing people to use the service. In some industries, privacy and disclosure rules may preempt usage (e.g., healthcare, finance). And the fact that Usenet has no intrinsic authentication or attestation of identity (though these can be provided by additional mechanisms such as PGP/GPG signatures) means that publicly accessible newsgroups are likely to be nonviable given malicious actors.

What's underappreciated about much of the early Internet / online world is how small most of the "large" (as in influential) groups or movements were. Usenet, the WELL, Slashdot, and early blogging had core groups of perhaps a few hundred to a few thousand people, possibly fewer. Yes, there were additional participants in many cases, but in terms of how concentrated the bulk of activity was, small.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

#90
Text-only Usenet shouldn't cost much to host and operate, and close to nothing if rethought to be distributed serverless p2p style, possibly encrypted. I was used in the past to wait ~3 days for my Fidonet post and their replies round trips, I don't think many people would mind waiting a few minutes for their local msg base to sync with the distributed cloud.
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