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Immigrants can vote with their feet. They need to get out of Europe to show them how much (or not) immigration benefits the region.

If you’re a refugee though this doesn’t apply obviously.

The example of uk losing a lot of European “immigrants” suggest immigration is valuable to society.

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There is an anecdote that is often used in India about how the Parsis (Zoroastrians who escaped the Islamic conquest of Persia) came to India and assimilated into the society. When a group of Parsis landed in Gujarat (Western India), the local chieftain posed a question to the leader of the group in the form of a glass of milk. The leader responded by adding a spoon of sugar to the glass and stirring the contents. Th…

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I don’t think non-assimilation is limited to people of just one specific religious background. To state the problem is X when factors such as education, household income and circumstances of migration likely have a much higher correlation seem to indicate a sweeping generalization.

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#13
Everyone "knows" what is coming with Global Warming. The Syrian refugee crisis was a very minor dry run, and the world failed.

In a similar fashion to Covid being a "minor" pandemic by historical / black death standards, being a dry run to see the mass discipline of modern society (it UTTERLY failed).

The world does not have the current capacity to handle mass population migrations of possibly a billion people that global warming will likely bring. The next century will bring continued technological development, but ultimately the spiraling environmental problems and reduction of natural resources/reserves will squeeze the population.

Perhaps lower fecundity of the world population in general is explained by mass economic development and leisure economy distractions. Or maybe it is the economic and technological squeeze being placed on everyone that is doing it.

Anyway, a wise man once taught me that wars over resource scarcity (e.g. the Sudan civil war was mostly about water) break down on ethnic lines, or barring that, religious lines (kind of the same thing historically).

Really this xenophobia is that expression in a "modern" democracy. Four decades of war on the middle class by the elites in America have seen steady ratcheting of less and less thinly veiled racism.

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I don’t think non-assimilation is limited to people of just one specific religious background. To state the problem is X when factors such as education, household income and circumstances of migration likely have a much higher correlation seem to indicate a sweeping generalization.

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I'm interested to hear alternatives. The only one I've ever heard is that countries should promote fertility amongst the existing citizenry, and that has a lot of opposition from feminists for obvious reasons.

> a lot of opposition from feminists for obvious reasons They oppose financial aid to young families, flexible working hours, and the promotion of living in multigenerational/extended family homes, where relatives help care for children, and free schooling/kindergartens? There are many countries, past and present, with above-replacement fertility, so this is nothing but pretend-helplessness. Israel, for example, is a…

When you look at any [N]GO memo on planned population reduction, Jaffe memo, Kissinger report, The World Bank's 'Population Planning', they are completely aligned with what feminism (and the general left) has been bringing for the past century

>shows there is no simple linear link between gender equality and fertility

There is: https://i.imgur.com/SkLQBlv.jpg

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> The key check on rising xenophobia is to limit the options for the xenophobe to enjoy the cover of anonymity. This could both blunt the current trends in xenophobia and limit many opportunities to socialize a new generation to be intolerant. Xenophobia deserves the same categorization as other widely reviled forms of bigotry.

I suppose we could erect pillories and publicly shame secret xenophobes, and take away their children to "limit their opportunity to socialize a new generation to be intolerant."

I'm speechless.

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30,000 years worth of missing genetic immunity to essentially every disease imaginable wiped out native populations in the Americas and precipitated the collapse of civilizations there, actually.

That's irrelevant. The point of the story, if you missed it, is that Europeans were not interested in adopting the Native American way of life and assimilating. Cortez didn't arrive in Mexico and swear loyalty to the local king, and adopt their religion

Cortes’s expedition of literal conquerors arrived by fighting for their lives the moment they met a state, let alone an empire.

Europe and its institutions failing to incorporate wildly conservative religious citizens has a lot more historicity than attributing “immigration” to the implication of native tribes in a post-apocalyptic pre-USA (it’s never Mexico or Peru) being culturally, physically, and biologically colonized.

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That's irrelevant. The point of the story, if you missed it, is that Europeans were not interested in adopting the Native American way of life and assimilating. Cortez didn't arrive in Mexico and swear loyalty to the local king, and adopt their religion

Cortes’s expedition of literal conquerors arrived by fighting for their lives the moment they met a state, let alone an empire. Europe and its institutions failing to incorporate wildly conservative religious citizens has a lot more historicity than attributing “immigration” to the implication of native tribes in a post-apocalyptic pre-USA (it’s never Mexico or Peru) being culturally, physically, and biologically col…

Because wildly conservative religious people tend to abuse their religion to push their personal agenda. Hell you could say some candidates are pondering to them BECAUSE they know they are easily manipulated without upholding the core of their religion.
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