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Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by rbanffy »

sorenjan wrote: post #10
pjmlp wrote: post #3

Intel and AMD have had years to provide similar capabilities on top of OpenCL. Maybe they should look into their own failures first.

SYCL is a better analog to Cuda than OpenCL, and Intel have their own implementation of that. Don't really see anyone writing anything in SYCL though, and when I looked into trying it out it was a bit of a mess with different implementations, each supporting their own subset of OSs and hardware. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/tools/onea...

I am unfamiliar with the implementation, but why would it be difficult to implement a Cuda-compatible software layer on top of other platforms?

This would be the first step. Then, if we want to move away from Cuda into hardware that's as ubiquitous and performant as Nvidia's (or better), someone would need to write an abstraction layer that's more convenient to use than Cuda. I did play a little bit with Cuda and OpenCL, but not enough to hate either.

Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by rbanffy »

sbininit wrote: post #6

Sure, provide a 100% CUDA-compatible chip, then do the microsoft-style EEE.

Wouldn't a 100% Cuda-compatible toolchain suffice? Then you could write your software for Cuda and the software environment would run it on whatever is on your computer.

Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by brindlejim »

Fun fact: More than half of all engineers at NVIDIA are software engineers. Jensen has deliberately and strategically built a powerful software stack on top of his GPUs, and he's spent decades doing it.

Until Intel finds a CEO who is as technical and strategic, as opposed to the bean-counters, I doubt that they will manage to organize a successful counterattack on CUDA.

Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by bartwr »

If they create a better tool chain, ecosystem, and programming experience than CUDA and compatible with all computational platforms at their peak performance - awesome! Everyone wins!

Until then, it's a bit funny claim, especially considering what a failure OpenCL was (programmer's experience and fading support). Or trying to do GPGPU with compute shaders in DX/GL/Vulkan. Are they really "motivated"? Because they had so many years and the results are miserable... And I don't think they invested even a fraction of what got invested into CUDA. Put your money where your mouth is.

Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by beembeem »

rbanffy wrote: post #4
mngdtt wrote: post #2

Funny, because the entire industry is motivated to move away from x86 too. I wonder if he'd like that to happen.

While we are at it, why not both? Also, can we move away from Windows and Office as well? And SharePoint, please? And add good search capabilities to Confluence.

Are you me? This list enumerates many specific pains I've had over the years. Adobe Acrobat might be next on this list.

Re: Intel CEO: 'The entire industry is motivated to eliminate the CUDA market'

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Post by ttoinou »

bartwr wrote: post #16

If they create a better tool chain, ecosystem, and programming experience than CUDA and compatible with all computational platforms at their peak performance - awesome! Everyone wins! Until then, it's a bit funny claim, especially considering what a failure OpenCL was (programmer's experience and fading support). Or trying to do GPGPU with compute shaders in DX/GL/Vulkan. Are they really "motivated"? Because they had…

What's wrong with compute shaders ?
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