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Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by s1artibartfast »

gambiting wrote: post #62
zelos wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Maybe I’m just a lightweight, but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Doing that 2 or 3 times a week? Of course that’s going to have health impacts.

>> but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Bro 4 beers in I would be actually sick, I definitely can't drive after 1 beer(nor would I want to). I literally don't understand how some people can chug 10-12 beers in an evening, like even ignoring the alcohol where does all of this liquid go?? I'll have two beers and the third one is literally a struggle to drink, it's just too much.

Some of those people probably feel less from those 12 beers than you did from your one.

The volume part is trivial. Average human stomach is about half a gallon and it is not hard to drink a gallon over a few hours

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Post by hinkley »

ghusto wrote: post #127
hackernoteng wrote: post #123

I drank regularly, so did my wife, and we had no problems conceiving (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy. Wife did NOT drink while pregnant or while breast feeding. I therefore drank enough for both of us during those times.

> ... (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy This word, "usually" ...

I know someone who got pregnant on vacation with their husband because they ran out of condoms and thought one time wouldn’t be statistically significant.

I would presume “usually one the first try” with two kids to mean definitely first time on one, and we are not sure if it was the second or third attempt for the other that took.

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Post by bluGill »

ghusto wrote: post #127
hackernoteng wrote: post #123

I drank regularly, so did my wife, and we had no problems conceiving (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy. Wife did NOT drink while pregnant or while breast feeding. I therefore drank enough for both of us during those times.

> ... (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy This word, "usually" ...

In humans no birth control at all is about 80% successful in preventing pregnancy, so if they normally got pregnant in just one try that is amazingly higher than normal. More likely he meant first month of daily unprotected sex, which is likely to result in pregnancy, and a common plan for those trying to have kids.

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Post by scruple »

bell-cot wrote: post #2

> He also noted that it doesn’t take excessive alcohol use ... > “In the models we’re using, even drinking three to four beers after work several days a week can induce [bad stuff for sperm],” Golding said. “You may not feel inebriated, but your body is going through chemical changes.” Vs. the CDC's current upper limit for "moderate" male drinking is 2 drinks/day, and they're very quick to specify that "a" beer is at…

I quit for ~5 months with our first (we had spontaneous fraternal twins) and ~4 months with our second. It would've been longer but we conceived the first month we started trying in both pregnancies. It seemed self-evident to me, at the time, that I should do everything I could to "clean" myself up. I stopped eating fried food, stopped drinking calories besides milk, ate more fruits and vegetables, etc. My wife doesn't drink so she didn't have to change her lifestyle much.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by bell-cot »

hackernoteng wrote: post #125
reliablereason wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that 3-4 beers several times a week is allot of alcohol. It is an amount where I would definitely start to think that ones life would be degraded in certain ways by the amount of alcohol consumed. Where I live the recommendations are that people that drink 10 or more units of alcohol per week should be provided support from the healthcare system to reduce their drinking.

I have drank average of 3 oz. per day (3 beers, or one healthy pour of scotch or bourbon), 5-6 days per week for the last 30 years. All blood work is normal. My parents drink significantly more than that are still healthy in their 70s.

> I have drank average of 3 oz. per day (3 beers, or one healthy pour of...

Maybe `sed 's/oz. per/drinks per/'` here? Though if they're 12oz x 8.5% beers, and the "healthy pour" is 8oz of 80 proof...

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by eropple »

syntheticnature wrote: post #35
eropple wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, and during COVID we kept the liquor stores open--so alcoholics in withdrawal weren't a problem when we had bigger fish to fry. Do you think that's a good thing?

Less about mere "dry drunks" -- which refers to someone who is sober but still stuck in the behavioral traps that led to drinking -- and more about the medical support required for abrupt detoxing from alcohol.

Point taken, edited.

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Post by marssaxman »

hydrok9 wrote: post #27
reliablereason wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that 3-4 beers several times a week is allot of alcohol. It is an amount where I would definitely start to think that ones life would be degraded in certain ways by the amount of alcohol consumed. Where I live the recommendations are that people that drink 10 or more units of alcohol per week should be provided support from the healthcare system to reduce their drinking.

yet many people still think that having 2 to 6 beers after work every day is somehow normal

"Normal" is a function of one's social environment, so for many people, having 2 to 6 beers after work every day actually is normal.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

Article aside, it's very interesting to see the different attitudes toward drinking, how differently people consider what's typical and what's excessive.

It seems that the American posters here are outliers in that they consider 2-3 drinks several days a week to be excessive and problematic. In many European cultures this is actually quite normal.

It's been nearly 100 years since Prohibition ended, but it seems the Puritan ethos behind the movement is still going strong. It's especially pronounced when the conclusion of a mouse study aligns with that old ethos, while the data and logic supporting that conclusion remain tenuous.

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Post by _3u10 »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #117
_3u10 wrote: post #73

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Some of us live in free and warm countries with no matriarchical nanny state. Gov't doesn't take half my income, and doesn't charge me an arm and a leg to have a beer.

I moved from the US of A my man lol

An excellent choice, I would have picked eastern europe, south america, or asia instead of finland tho.

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Post by BillyTheMage »

I'm curious what the percentage of pregnancies are planned? And how does it happen that way? Are people not having regular sex with their partners anymore? Like "okay honey, I got the quarterly sex paperwork ready, better make this count".
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