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Would be a lot less kids in the (western) world if men were to follow this advice.
The US and EU already have declining fertility rates when you take immigration stats out of the equation.
And I think alcohol consumption is also declining, isn't it? At least among people at the age where having children while drunk is most likely.
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I would say that 3-4 beers several times a week is allot of alcohol. It is an amount where I would definitely start to think that ones life would be degraded in certain ways by the amount of alcohol consumed. Where I live the recommendations are that people that drink 10 or more units of alcohol per week should be provided support from the healthcare system to reduce their drinking.
yet many people still think that having 2 to 6 beers after work every day is somehow normal
Perhaps important to note that this result comes from a lab experiment done on mice, with as far as I can tell N=24 mice split in a control and two treatment conditions. I would be very careful concluding anything from that study about what human males should or should not do.
… in mice.
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> I´m all for science on alcohol abuse and effects of moderate drinking But don't we have that? And have recently been getting more and more of that? Most specifically, as I understand the current science: alcohol (e.g., red wine) in any form and any amount is not good for you. Full stop. I do drink, still, moderately. But given all I hearing / reading, I'm giving more and more consideration to going dry. The "benefi…
"not good for you" is not science. how "not good for you" is it? what specifically does it do? can you counter the effects? cookies are also "not good for you. full stop". but they're also not all that bad for you in reasonable quantities.
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A drinking problem isn't defined by quantity, it is when you have a problematic habit/dependence that you can't quit at will. There are plenty of people who enjoy a few drinks several days a week but can just cut back or stop completely when they want/need to because they don't have alcoholism. I used to drink 3 beers almost every night. I cut down on it to lose weight and now have a single beer 2-3 nights a week and…
My measurement for this sort of thing is, "if there's none in my house tonight and I get a hankering, how willing am I to go out looking for it?"
Would be a lot less kids in the (western) world if men were to follow this advice.
The US and EU already have declining fertility rates when you take immigration stats out of the equation.
I drank regularly, so did my wife, and we had no problems conceiving (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy. Wife did NOT drink while pregnant or while breast feeding. I therefore drank enough for both of us during those times.
Of course we also believe we are smarter and more put together now than we were then. But we did survive, and we did get to the Enlightenment with a lot of people soused before we started switching to coffee and tea.
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3-4 beers after work several days per week seems like a drinking problem imho.
A drinking problem isn't defined by quantity, it is when you have a problematic habit/dependence that you can't quit at will. There are plenty of people who enjoy a few drinks several days a week but can just cut back or stop completely when they want/need to because they don't have alcoholism. I used to drink 3 beers almost every night. I cut down on it to lose weight and now have a single beer 2-3 nights a week and…
The latest science says no amount of alcohol is good for you. And there's plenty of evidence that any amount of alcohol is bad for you. Of course there is pleasure that comes with imbibing alcoholic drinks, unlike banging your head on the wall, but you are still damaging your body with every sip.
Unfortunately the words "alcoholic" and "addict" are difficult for people to accept and associated with only the worst cases. But I think addiction is far more common than we think.
I used to drink occasionally, maybe once a week, to slight excess which one might call "merry" or "tipsy". I would always sleep badly and feel terrible the next day. I would also eat essentially an extra meal after drinking (usually consisting of junk food). This would happen every single time and I observed that this commonly happened to others too on a regular occurrence. Knowing that these bad effects would ensue, continuing to drink made me an addict: I knew it was bad for me, but I did it anyway.
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I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use. But the alternative is not to match their use against a number created by an uninvolved third party either. Probably a person's family and other close relations have the most useful perspective on their use and its effects. I'm not a moralizing teetotaler or drug abolitionist here either. Recreational…
> I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use. And I wouldn't trust about anyone else's view. It's either a feeling (when you have to rely on the "drug user", how they feel about it) or it is hard facts. Outsiders opinions are worthless.
Their family and friends however are not outsiders. They have hard facts about how the use affects them, which is often some of the most significant negative consequences of drug use. I don't think any single person is situated to confidently say that someone else's use isn't a problem. But in cases where it is a problem, family often have all the information necessary to know that it is.