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Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by bell-cot »

spiderice wrote: post #84
_3u10 wrote: post #68

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> That said, with how many acres of "skin in the game" it is to become a father - I'd say to abstain for 6 months. If nothing else, it sends a loud "I'm taking daddyhood d*mned seriously" signal to your wife. The key is finding wife who takes having children more seriously, it's not that difficult.

I'm not sure what you mean. In the scenario GP is talking about, I read it as the wife already being serious about having children and not drinking is one way for husband to show he is also serious about it.

Correct...except there's also the "she is unsure, his behavior might be persuasive" scenario.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by bmacho »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #107
ryandrake wrote: post #89

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> Almost everyone who drinks has this view of their own alcohol consumption. They aren't always wrong about this, but certainly very many of them are. This just seems like a trap. "Alcohol doesn't negatively impact my life." "Well, that's exactly what an alcoholic would say!" So, you can't rely on the person's own judgment. But you can't rely on others' judgment either. For any level of alcohol intake, from 1 beer a…

I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use. But the alternative is not to match their use against a number created by an uninvolved third party either. Probably a person's family and other close relations have the most useful perspective on their use and its effects. I'm not a moralizing teetotaler or drug abolitionist here either. Recreational…

> I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use.

And I wouldn't trust about anyone else's view. It's either a feeling (when you have to rely on the "drug user", how they feel about it) or it is hard facts. Outsiders opinions are worthless.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by bell-cot »

wizardwes wrote: post #46
InCityDreams wrote: post #15

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>Vs. the CDC's current upper limit for "moderate" male drinking is 2 drinks/day, and they're very quick to specify that "a" beer is at most 12 oz. of 5% ABV (or 8 oz. of 7% ABV, or ...). One 16 oz. pint of 7.5% is two drinks. Doing maths when drunk is fun, and the cdc be damned. Nobody understands the difference between one drink, and two drinks = one drink, as well. We all work in pints and litres. What damage/ fun…

Your average glass bottle or can is 12 oz. That's not some arbitrary measurement, it's literally the most likely size for you to get. Sure most people aren't asking for an (imperial) cup of beer, but the idea is to recognize how much you're actually drinking.

> Your average glass bottle or can is 12 oz.

True, at least in my part of the US. Though larger cans seem to be a growing trend. And "on tap" beer is very often served in other sizes.

OTOH, 5% ABV seems to be anything but the norm.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by vel0city »

giardini wrote: post #43
whoomp12341 wrote: post #4

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in northern culture, the CDC's recommendation is laughable. Excessive drinking is a regular thing where its cold

Knew a fellow from Texas sent to manage a business in Russia for 6 months. He was in excellent cardiovascular health when he left. 6 months later he returned with 15 extra pounds of weight. His story: arriving in Moscow he found it brutally cold and began to drink under friends' advice. He later reported back that "you need to drink vodka and eat like crazy to keep warm and keep you body weight up" in that cold clima…

As others have alluded, alcohol is a vasodilator. Your blood vessels dilate so you end up with more blood flow to extremities and the surface of your skin. So you feel warmer, but you're actually cooling your body off faster. Vasoconstriction is your body trying to keep your core body temperature up, so drinking alcohol is weakening your body's defenses to the cold.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by powera »

jpdus wrote: post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

Yup. The headline is "fake science", by and for moral scolds. The study doesn't even come close to demonstrating the headline claim.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

koolba wrote: post #82
magicpin wrote: post #64

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Alcohol is very caloric. A single shot of vodka can have 100 calories. Also it can increase blood flow to the skin, making you seem warmer than you actually are, at the expense of your internal body temperature.

> A single shot of vodka can have 100 calories. Using the standard 7 calories per gram of alcohol, the alcohol content of a 12 oz 5% beer (equivalent of a 1.5 oz 40% shot) is 117 calories (12oz x 28g/oz x 5% x 7 Kc/g). That’s just the alcohol and an average beer would have been more from the additional carbs. If your vodka shot has only 100 calories, that’s either a weak pour or some weak vodka!

Counter-argument:

[0] https://www.fitbit.com/foods/American+Vodka/740555260

[1] https://www.greygoose.com/faqs/how-many-calories-are-there-i...

If you look at any 40% vodka, you'll find a 1.5 oz shot clocking in at 96-98 calories.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by crazygringo »

gambiting wrote: post #62
zelos wrote: post #14

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Exactly. Maybe I’m just a lightweight, but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Doing that 2 or 3 times a week? Of course that’s going to have health impacts.

>> but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Bro 4 beers in I would be actually sick, I definitely can't drive after 1 beer(nor would I want to). I literally don't understand how some people can chug 10-12 beers in an evening, like even ignoring the alcohol where does all of this liquid go?? I'll have two beers and the third one is literally a struggle to drink, it's just too much.

For most people, it's just tolerance. The more regularly you drink, the less effect it has.

> like even ignoring the alcohol where does all of this liquid go?

Into pee. You know how starting around the third or fourth round, everybody is getting up to pee every round or two?

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by fasterik »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #126
jpdus wrote: post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

> I´m all for science on alcohol abuse and effects of moderate drinking But don't we have that? And have recently been getting more and more of that? Most specifically, as I understand the current science: alcohol (e.g., red wine) in any form and any amount is not good for you. Full stop. I do drink, still, moderately. But given all I hearing / reading, I'm giving more and more consideration to going dry. The "benefi…

Most claims about whether something is "healthy" or "unhealthy" rely on single studies with small sample/effect sizes. We know that many studies fail to replicate, and in the absence of preregistration there are researcher degrees of freedom for scientists to find whatever they want to find in the data.

I don't know about the current status of alcohol research, but unless there is a large body of replicated work supporting a claim, we should be skeptical of it.

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