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Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Maybe for you. Moving to Finland and seeing that a six pack cost as much as a month's worth of breakfast was all the motivation I needed to kick the stuff.

Shame about the war. If not for that you could just cross the border over into Russia and obtain it much cheaper.

It is too late my friend. I only wish to cross the itäraja to buy even cheaper breakfasts

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Exactly. Maybe I’m just a lightweight, but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Doing that 2 or 3 times a week? Of course that’s going to have health impacts.

Regular drinking exercises your liver and keeps it at peak performance. (I am not a doctor.)

(Also not a doctor.)

Your liver is pretty unique here, as most other organs don't grow back (they get covered in scar tissue if they grow back at all). You can donate your liver, they'll remove about half, and it'll be back to normal in about 2 months.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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I drank regularly, so did my wife, and we had no problems conceiving (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy. Wife did NOT drink while pregnant or while breast feeding. I therefore drank enough for both of us during those times.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

I would be interested to see how places like Korea or Australia with large drinking populations would differ from dry places.

Sounds like an easy place to get great data for their hypothesis. Compare places like Saudi Arabia with England. Sure it's messy because of the other factors to consider (since it's not an experiment), but if there are zero cases of what you're looking for, your own experiment is probably wrong.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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> He also noted that it doesn’t take excessive alcohol use ... > “In the models we’re using, even drinking three to four beers after work several days a week can induce [bad stuff for sperm],” Golding said. “You may not feel inebriated, but your body is going through chemical changes.” Vs. the CDC's current upper limit for "moderate" male drinking is 2 drinks/day, and they're very quick to specify that "a" beer is at…

I would say that 3-4 beers several times a week is allot of alcohol. It is an amount where I would definitely start to think that ones life would be degraded in certain ways by the amount of alcohol consumed. Where I live the recommendations are that people that drink 10 or more units of alcohol per week should be provided support from the healthcare system to reduce their drinking.

I have drank average of 3 oz. per day (3 beers, or one healthy pour of scotch or bourbon), 5-6 days per week for the last 30 years. All blood work is normal. My parents drink significantly more than that are still healthy in their 70s.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

> I´m all for science on alcohol abuse and effects of moderate drinking

But don't we have that? And have recently been getting more and more of that? Most specifically, as I understand the current science: alcohol (e.g., red wine) in any form and any amount is not good for you. Full stop.

I do drink, still, moderately. But given all I hearing / reading, I'm giving more and more consideration to going dry. The "benefits" (i.e., being social, de-stressor, etc) don't seem to be worth it.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

#127

I drank regularly, so did my wife, and we had no problems conceiving (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy. Wife did NOT drink while pregnant or while breast feeding. I therefore drank enough for both of us during those times.

> ... (usually pregnant on one try). Both kids are healthy

This word, "usually" ...

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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As pointed out by the parent comment, one strong 16 Oz can is already 2 drinks. Having 2 of those in a night or even slightly weaker ones puts you in the 3-4 drink range. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a habit of having 2 of those a few nights a week to tie a long day off.

When I think of "beers" in America, I usually think of Bud Light or similar lightweight lagers that are usually in the 4-5% alcohol range. Drinking 3-4 of those over a few hours with food will not get most people very drunk at all, depending on bodyweight and tolerance. I prefer IPAs which average closer to 7% and that higher alcohol concentration seems to make a big difference. Drinking 3-4 of those can get a person…

There is an interesting explanation for this. Instead of thinking of apv what matters to your body is more the “retained alcohol” over a period of time. Your body can process something like a 4% beer every hour, so drinking one 4% beer an hour isn’t going to get you that drunk as your body is keeping up. Drinking a 5% beer though you start retaining 1% of beer an hour, but with a 6% beer you retain 2% per hour (twice as much alcohol) and you get twice as drunk. So for a 7% beer you will be 3 times as drunk. Rough math and everyone will be different, but you get the idea.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

Thank you for pointing this out. Unfortunately, there are many problems interacting here. There is an incentive in science journalism to write the most attention-grabbing headline, regardless of how well it summarizes the research. Of the people who read the headline, only a fraction will click through to read the popular article, and only a fraction of those will click through to read the scientific article. Most people have never heard of the replication crisis, preregistration, or researcher degrees of freedom. Even if this is valid research with valid methodology, the scientists themselves are incentivized to cut corners and come up with catchy, counter-intuitive results. It's all a shitshow that drives the spread of misinformation and public distrust in science.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

#130
post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

> I´m all for science on alcohol abuse and effects of moderate drinking But don't we have that? And have recently been getting more and more of that? Most specifically, as I understand the current science: alcohol (e.g., red wine) in any form and any amount is not good for you. Full stop. I do drink, still, moderately. But given all I hearing / reading, I'm giving more and more consideration to going dry. The "benefi…

"not good for you" is not science. how "not good for you" is it? what specifically does it do? can you counter the effects?

cookies are also "not good for you. full stop". but they're also not all that bad for you in reasonable quantities.

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