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Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by dudul »

giardini wrote: post #43
whoomp12341 wrote: post #4

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in northern culture, the CDC's recommendation is laughable. Excessive drinking is a regular thing where its cold

Knew a fellow from Texas sent to manage a business in Russia for 6 months. He was in excellent cardiovascular health when he left. 6 months later he returned with 15 extra pounds of weight. His story: arriving in Moscow he found it brutally cold and began to drink under friends' advice. He later reported back that "you need to drink vodka and eat like crazy to keep warm and keep you body weight up" in that cold clima…

I lived 2 years in Sweden, I just bought a good winter coat. Somehow that an a few good sweaters/base layers were enough to keep me warm without hammering my face every evening. But that's just me I guess.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by u32480932048 »

epcoa wrote: post #19

“Oh, we are living in an environment that has a really strong oxidative stressor in it. I need to program the offspring to be able to adapt to that kind of environment” Wow. Just wow. And people are surprised why it’s so easy to make people categorically distrust “science”. These “researchers” have no sense of academic integrity.

"Something, something, Darwin" ought to be a journal

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by kyllo »

bwhaley wrote: post #9
bell-cot wrote: post #2

> He also noted that it doesn’t take excessive alcohol use ... > “In the models we’re using, even drinking three to four beers after work several days a week can induce [bad stuff for sperm],” Golding said. “You may not feel inebriated, but your body is going through chemical changes.” Vs. the CDC's current upper limit for "moderate" male drinking is 2 drinks/day, and they're very quick to specify that "a" beer is at…

3-4 beers after work several days per week seems like a drinking problem imho.

A drinking problem isn't defined by quantity, it is when you have a problematic habit/dependence that you can't quit at will. There are plenty of people who enjoy a few drinks several days a week but can just cut back or stop completely when they want/need to because they don't have alcoholism.

I used to drink 3 beers almost every night. I cut down on it to lose weight and now have a single beer 2-3 nights a week and no alcohol other nights. Some weeks I have none. If I had an actual "drinking problem" i.e. alcoholism, I wouldn't have been able to do that.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by francisofascii »

AlgorithmicTime wrote: post #48

Color me skeptical... people have been drinking for thousands of years. I would be terribly surprised if moderate drinking had a statistically significant effect. Either way, this is an irresponsible recommendation at a time when birthrates among native populations are falling precipitously. Adding yet another mental/physical hurdle to having kids is the wrong thing to do. Shit, next generation in South Korea will be…

I don't see it as adding a hurdle, but rather giving people, who might be trying to conceive, a hurdle to avoid.

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Post by Scoundreller »

vfclists wrote: post #53
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #20

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Maybe for you. Moving to Finland and seeing that a six pack cost as much as a month's worth of breakfast was all the motivation I needed to kick the stuff.

Shame about the war. If not for that you could just cross the border over into Russia and obtain it much cheaper.

Estonia is still accessible (and they drink more than Russians, on average).

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Post by zdragnar »

Retric wrote: post #38
zelos wrote: post #14

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Exactly. Maybe I’m just a lightweight, but 4 beers is into ‘drunk’ levels for me. Doing that 2 or 3 times a week? Of course that’s going to have health impacts.

Depends on the timeframe and body weight. For a 280lb guy 4 beers over 4 hours isn’t particularly noticeable.

As a 270lb guy who is also tall, with a healthy mix of muscle and fat... Two beers 12oz beers will get me a really nice buzz, if not quite tipsy.

I drink maybe once a month, though- it's pretty wild to notice how much more affected you are once you lose your tolerance.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by tstrimple »

AlgorithmicTime wrote: post #48

Color me skeptical... people have been drinking for thousands of years. I would be terribly surprised if moderate drinking had a statistically significant effect. Either way, this is an irresponsible recommendation at a time when birthrates among native populations are falling precipitously. Adding yet another mental/physical hurdle to having kids is the wrong thing to do. Shit, next generation in South Korea will be…

Color me skeptical... people have lived without antibiotics for thousands of years. I would be terribly surprised if their use had a statistical effect.

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Post by hydrok9 »

ryandrake wrote: post #89
giraffe_lady wrote: post #63

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> If someone chooses to drink alcohol and it doesn't negatively impact other aspects of their life Almost everyone who drinks has this view of their own alcohol consumption. They aren't always wrong about this, but certainly very many of them are. Even people who are very obviously experiencing negative consequences of alcohol use will confidently assert that this isn't the case.

> Almost everyone who drinks has this view of their own alcohol consumption. They aren't always wrong about this, but certainly very many of them are. This just seems like a trap. "Alcohol doesn't negatively impact my life." "Well, that's exactly what an alcoholic would say!" So, you can't rely on the person's own judgment. But you can't rely on others' judgment either. For any level of alcohol intake, from 1 beer a…

rationalizing it is really dangerous. I had a friend who who used to say, "everyone has addictions."

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Post by standardUser »

gowld wrote: post #74
hef19898 wrote: post #56

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Depends on the beer. Measuring one beer as we donin Bavaria, in at least half litres, and meaning by multiple times a week more than three days, maybe. By measuring beer in 0.3 and 0.2 litres, ans assuming the average US beer, even doing so 5 days a week propably doesn't get into abuse territory by the alcohol amount alone.

In US culture/science, one "drink" or "beer" is 0.5oz of alcohol. Beer is often 12oz of 4% alcohol. Wine is 6oz of 9%. Liquor is 1oz or 50%, etc. There are stronger drinks, but in this scientific context should be considered multi-drinks. People not understanding this unit scale causes a lot of problems, like teens having 20-30oz pours of alcohol like it's (also ugh) soda or juice. I wonder if European science and US…

The average beer is closer to 5%, few wines are as low as 9% and nearly all mainstream liquor is exactly 40%.

Re: Men should abstain from drinking at least three months prior to conceiving

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Post by yamazakiwi »

jpdus wrote: post #87

Does nobody question how they get from a non-preregistered, 9-mouse study (where the treatment group gets only 6%-10% acoholic drinks and nothing non-alcoholic for 10 weeks) to this headline? Addtionally: > First, we did not generate offspring using the cessation males. Therefore, we do not know if the sperm noncoding RNA signature we identified correlates with changes in offspring fetoplacental growth or if the resu…

I would be interested to see how places like Korea or Australia with large drinking populations would differ from dry places.
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