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Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by forward1 »

jorvi wrote: post #13
miroljub wrote: post #2

Let's hope it's not just another Electron-based abomination.

That ship has sailed. If I look at my Dock right now, from left to right I'm running: - Nautilus - Brave (Chromium) - Gnome-terminal - VSCode (Electron) - Telegram Desktop (̶E̶l̶e̶c̶t̶r̶o̶n̶ QT)[1] - WhatsApp (web wrapper in Electron)[1] - Discord (Electron) - Spotify (Chromium Embedded Framework) - Betterbird (Gecko, might as well be Electron) - TickTick (Electron) - Steam (Chromium Embedded Framework) In a way it i…

A simple XSS turns into RCE with Electron desktop apps. I don't understand how technically competent people can in good faith accept this outrageous risk.

Re: Proton Mail gets a desktop app for encrypted email and calendar

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Post by forward1 »

Can we please stop regurgitating "encrypted email" as if it's some virtuous accomplishmenet?

Anyone can encrypt something. The challenge is keeping authentication to that encryption valid, accurate and secure.

As far as I can tell, PM does not in any way innovate on that. They just prey and capitalize upon laymen who foolishly equate encryption with security. In fact expecting any privacy from email at all is outright delusional.

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Post by ziddoap »

mdrzn wrote: post #57

I just bought a few years of Proton Mail and moved my domain there using their Black Friday offer, great timing. "Proton is restricting access to its paid “Visionary” tier for legacy users at first (though the company is reopening subscriptions to that tier through January 3rd, 2024)" I cannot find any info on how to purchase the Visionary tier.

I'm able to purchase Visionary via:

https://account.proton.me/mail/signup?plan=visionary2022&bil...

I must be logged in to see it. I don't know how long you have to have a paid account to be considered legacy.

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Post by mortallywounded »

I've been using Proton for my businesses for years. I have a legacy visionary plan that is _very_ generous based on current limits/prices. I don't have any plans on going anywhere else!

My only gripe has been searching email is a pain.. you need to download/index the data locally (due to encryption on the server), and the search quality isn't great. I am confident they will improve the search algorithm/filters in time... but you'll still need to download all of your mail to search (no way around it I know of unless some clever crypto people can figure that one out...).

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Post by jacobroyquebec »

teekert wrote: post #17

I love Proton, I use them for my business. Sure they are missing some things. The calendar is too basic, no widget. Drive does not have a Linux client and no rsync support or anything useful. And now there is no desktop app For Linux (it's not electron?). BUT, I love the webapp and they bring a steady stream of nice improvements, and what currently exists works very well. They are a company with the right values so I…

FYI, it's fairly easy to have Proton Drive on linux using rclone [0], for push/pull/sync.

[0] https://rclone.org/protondrive/

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Post by mathverse »

plehoux wrote: post #6
miroljub wrote: post #2

Let's hope it's not just another Electron-based abomination.

CEO at Missive and proud developer of an electron based email client, I would love for you to try it and judge it's speed. It might change your opinion.

There is no performant snappy Electron app. Period.

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Post by unnouinceput »

plehoux wrote: post #6
miroljub wrote: post #2

Let's hope it's not just another Electron-based abomination.

CEO at Missive and proud developer of an electron based email client, I would love for you to try it and judge it's speed. It might change your opinion.

The problem is not when everything is written with web as the main central point, the problem is when you compare that with a previous version that was a desktop client first, then in a rush to make it cross-platform they fuck it up. Hence the hate for Electron, because 99% of Electron apps out there are like this.

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Post by politelemon »

grammers wrote: post #52
teekert wrote: post #17

I love Proton, I use them for my business. Sure they are missing some things. The calendar is too basic, no widget. Drive does not have a Linux client and no rsync support or anything useful. And now there is no desktop app For Linux (it's not electron?). BUT, I love the webapp and they bring a steady stream of nice improvements, and what currently exists works very well. They are a company with the right values so I…

Tutanota has got a Linux app, and the Android app is available on F-Droid. I love what both companies are trying to achieve with building private ecosystems, but for me Linux must always come first. Everyone who loves privacy has switched to Linux by now.

I use Linux as a litmus test, is that the term, to see how serious a company is about privacy. Without a Linux presence, it's privacy marketing or just lip service. I might still use the product on another OS simultaneously, but I need to know that the control point exists.

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Post by bravetraveler »

jes wrote: post #39
bravetraveler wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use a mail client for offline access, backups, and faster search I stopped using Proton largely because the bridge was unreliable - this may have kept me around My browser does too much already, too. I appreciate actual applications that have an identity beyond a favicon

Same. I love the idea of ditching the Proton Mail bridge app on my Macs. It's been a frequent source of configuration and update headaches for me.

It seems if you're on a higher tier the mail client is available - otherwise people must wait...

I hope you find it helpful, the bridge truly is dreadful!

I ultimately gave up on 'private email' and simply moved to Zoho. Proper SMTP/IMAP is nice.

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

carlosjobim wrote: post #53
hollerith wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>laggy garbage apps if you don't have the latest machine. Does not describe Youtube.com or VSCode in my experience.

If you're on an Intel MacBook, using YouTube Music is a miserable experience. As for YouTube.com itself, it's okay, but FreeTube is significantly more responsive. VSCode was more laggy than native competitors on my machine. Especially when selecting text. Maybe our tolerance for lag is different? I know a ton of people swear by VSCode, but when an app has bad latency on basic interface functions it just throws me off…

>VSCode was more laggy than native competitors on my machine.

VSCode has become really fast in the last year or so. Previously, I sometimes used other text editors for a quick edit, but now any lag that VSCode may still have has fallen below my personal sensory threshold.

I dread the situations where I have to resort to Xcode. It's native, but it's unbelievably slow and crashes more often than any software I have used since Windows 3.1.

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