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US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Maybeeeeeeee Musk shouldn't be conducting personal foreign policy?

So he shouldn't have sent dishes in February 2022 or allowed use in the frontline thereafter?

He can do whatever he wants, as long as he's not helping enemies of America.

Ok let me rephrase my comment:

Maybeeeeeeee Musk shouldn't be helping America's enemies?

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ (linked in the GGP to your comment) links to this tweet from Jan 23, 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 When asked the question "At what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features?" Elon responded "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" Also, lots of examples of "this year" stated in various January…

This question was not asking about when FSD was going to work but when Enhanced Autopilot would noticeably depart from FSD. No where in there did it say "FSD will be working completely in 6 months". They did in fact diverge, no where was that a statement that FSD would be complete by then. It's ironic you are calling him a liar when your response seems to either be completely dishonest itself or you are not aware of…

I never understood someone so determined to ignore all the evidence. Yet when confronted doubles/triples down with excuses.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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My eyes nearly roll out of my head every time I see someone complain about this. People act like astronomy is ruined forever, it's not. You can predict where the satellites are going to be and avoid them. They're not even a problem for large portions of the night and sky at all because there's very little light for them to reflect. There are a lot of benefits to having a constellation like this, and the tech that's b…

> This is a very marginal issue, folks need to calm down. Is it? Why do we need to visually see, basically permanently, a ring or string of lights in the sky, unwittingly, just because of some billionaire? > You can predict where the satellites are going to be and avoid them. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if you know where they're at if they're in your way. Telescope time is extremely precious and expens…

> Is it? Why do we need to visually see, basically permanently, a ring or string of lights in the sky, unwittingly, just because of some billionaire?

There are upsides also.

> You can predict where the satellites are going to be and avoid them.

You could for example not collect from the relevant photosites during transit, we're not using photographic plates anymore. This is not some sort of insurmountable problem, I'm not claiming it's not a problem, but it is not an astronomy ruining problem. As an indirect result of starlink we have also vastly decreased the cost to put an telescope in space.

> That's not true. You can see them with your own eyes.

You absolutely can't see them in the earth's umbra, they're only 500km high, the umbra represents a significant portion of the sky.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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It was not targeted. They are not able to meet the constraints written out in the law. Are you saying we should ignore the law as it was written and give them the hand out anyway?

Enough laws have been written that you are in violation of many of them by nature of existing. There are also plenty of contradictory laws still on the books which are not enforced because it's considered ridiculous to the judicial system. Judges don't like it, and prosecutors have better things to do like going after criminals. Perusing idiotic nonsense before putting all the murders and rapists in prison really doe…

Are you really comparing "inability to receive government subsidies due to not meeting requirements" to violent physical crimes?

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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If it’s cheap and easy to fill the night sky with satellites, the obvious implication is that it will also be cheap and easy to do astronomy from space, and your “extremely precious and expensive” telescope time could be on a satellite outside the atmosphere in the first place. This is an entirely transitory issue and instead of trying to deprive people of internet access, astronomers should be working together on la…

> obvious implication is that it will also be cheap and easy to do astronomy from space That's so beyond false it's difficult to even respond to. Do you understand the size of the telescopes, both optical and radio? Do you understand the complexity of space-based instruments like the James Webb and Hubble telescopes?

Optical band interferometry is gonna happen eventually, perhaps directly as a result to advances in optical interlinking being pursued by starlink right now.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ (linked in the GGP to your comment) links to this tweet from Jan 23, 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 When asked the question "At what point will "Full Self-Driving Capability" features noticeably depart from "Enhanced Autopilot" features?" Elon responded "3 months maybe, 6 months definitely" Also, lots of examples of "this year" stated in various January…

> I suspect his statements are carefully made to not technically meet the legal definition for fraud, but colloquially he's absolutely a liar. They're probably not carefully made, but fraud requires knowledge of falsity, and short of an internal report saying "this feature won't be ready before XYZ," it is going to be extremely difficult to prove Tesla knew the claims were false. The other thing you'll run into is re…

I would think it would be hard to find a reasonable person who takes anything Musk says seriously anymore and yet plenty seem to.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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When applying for RDOF you say what service tier you are targeting and instead of shooting for the minimum 25/3, Starlink applied for 100/20. When they didn't reach those speeds[1], they were ineligible but not just because they didn't hit the required speeds on their existing network. There are more details here[2] but the jist is that Starlink bid to supply 100/20 internet to over half a million subscribers and the…

Starlink (and Musk in general) have been over-promising and under-delivering for years now. Starlink claimed 150Mbps back in 2020 and that speeds would double to 300Mbps by the end of 2021.[1] Instead, speeds have halved.[2] At this point, T-Mobile is likely serving more rural high speed internet customers with greater speeds (T-Mobile has 4.2M home internet customers and Ookla's stats show 34% to be rural for 1.4M;…

> T-Mobile is likely serving more rural high speed internet customers with greater speeds

I live exactly 13 miles away from T-Mobile HQ (one city over) and their service was unusable. I know, I know, anecdotal. But funny!

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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post #38

When applying for RDOF you say what service tier you are targeting and instead of shooting for the minimum 25/3, Starlink applied for 100/20. When they didn't reach those speeds[1], they were ineligible but not just because they didn't hit the required speeds on their existing network. There are more details here[2] but the jist is that Starlink bid to supply 100/20 internet to over half a million subscribers and the…

Starlink (and Musk in general) have been over-promising and under-delivering for years now. Starlink claimed 150Mbps back in 2020 and that speeds would double to 300Mbps by the end of 2021.[1] Instead, speeds have halved.[2] At this point, T-Mobile is likely serving more rural high speed internet customers with greater speeds (T-Mobile has 4.2M home internet customers and Ookla's stats show 34% to be rural for 1.4M;…

"under-delivering"

Delivered millions of EVs that everyone said would never work, dragging the entire car industry out of its stupor.

Delivered a vast electric charging network and made it available to the competition.

Delivered the best satellite internet.

Delivered rockets that NASA uses.

Delivered the most payload to space, more than even China.

Gee, imagine under-delivering that badly.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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And that's one of the (many) frustrating things with Musk: he fairly consistently overpromises and underdelivers. Even if that underdelivering is better than what you can get elsewhere, it still leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

> it still leaves a bad taste in people's mouths It definitely does, although I don't understand why. One thing making bold forecasts does is motivate your people. JFK told us we'd get to the moon this decade which is absolutely nuts. Would we have got there as soon if he had said we'd get to the moon eventually ? To the other responder: JFK also had no tangible justification to say we'd get there so soon, and the mo…

It's pretty obvious why it's such a big deal recently.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

#450
Maybe a dumb take but I’d really like for the population to earn an ownership stake in the company for providing subsidies. I don’t know much about subsidies but it seems like it would be in the best interest of the population to be able to have an ownership stake in the companies that are providing a head start through monetary or policy subsidizing. Can someone tell me if there is a way for the US to recoup subsidy money or how this works?
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