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US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they wrong about these details then? Or is that the defense: “doesn’t matter if I’m actually doing that or not. The government is out to get me.”

The document in the tweet has a list of rebuttals.

Unfortunately Twitter doesn't function for me after loading it a few times earlier today. I max out my daily quota through precaching or something. It used to work a few years back!

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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I don't understand with so much money being poured into NASA, rural broadband, and the Military why the Government cannot setup their own starlink. It will be less money in the end.

Falcon 9 cost ~ 400 million for block 1. NASA thinks they could have done it for over 10X

Starlink+Falcon+Starship have so far cost less than SLS+Ares+Orion development.

The best you could have got would have been something like Oneweb. Prices available online.

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It looks like it's becoming apparent that Elon's empire is based on a lot of impossible promises. Starlink is probably one of them. A perfect 'business' for Musk. You can show something great - high speed internet in remote areas - and then extrapolate that - just think about the whole world etc... Faster than fibre, with V2... Thing is, this business is probably not economically viable. It can work if not a lot of p…

>Thing is, this business is probably not economically viable. It can work if not a lot of people use it - but it's maintained afloat by government money. But if 10x customers sign on, bandwidth will completely plummet and it won't be such a great service anymore.

That's a nice story, but can you do some math to substantiate it? For instance, is there some fundamental limit between how much bandwidth a satellite can provide, how much it costs, and how much the monthly subscription is?

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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When applying for RDOF you say what service tier you are targeting and instead of shooting for the minimum 25/3, Starlink applied for 100/20. When they didn't reach those speeds[1], they were ineligible but not just because they didn't hit the required speeds on their existing network. There are more details here[2] but the jist is that Starlink bid to supply 100/20 internet to over half a million subscribers and the…

I find it impressive that the government is actually punishing a project for running late and underdelivering. They should expand this to all parts of the government. Can you imagine if the F-35 was cancelled the first time it fell behind schedule? The Space Launch System? The Littoral Combat System? The USS JFK? So many boondoggles could be killed off before they spend money. Maybe contractors would have to start pr…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_pr...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cancelled_military_pro...

F35 Survived but there are like 50 other planes that didnt in that second list

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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If the goal is to get levels of performance that Starlink cannot provide, then this makes sense? Odd that they'd include comments about Starship in it, though. That doesn't seem like a requirement for continued development of Starlink and seems very speculative. There could be details on that aspect that I'm missing though.

Starlink is nothing that you deploy and then you are done. When you have launched the last satellite, then the first ones launched will have reached the end of their lifespan and you essentially have to start over, deploy the entire constellation once again as the satellites reach the end of their lifespan one by one. With a lifespan of say 5 years, you will have to deploy the entire constellation once every 5 years,…

I’ve got news for you about Earth-based networking gear. You don’t just install it and forget about it forever - you replace and upgrade, almost continuously, and lifespans are frequently significantly less than five years.

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I wonder if behind the scenes this has anything to do with Elon’s Starlink shenanigans in Ukraine. He interfered with their military operations after a meeting with Putin and then pulled that nonsense where he basically extorted the U.S. government for more funding. Their options for dealing with him are somewhat limited because their relationship with him goes both ways. A good way to give him a little slap is in hi…

There's no evidence of a Putin meeting.

The government was refusing to pay their bills.

They've fattened his wallet with starshield.

This denial happened ages ago. This article is a response to the appeal.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> […] (and Musk in general) have been over-promising and under-delivering for years now. Related, "Tesla FSD Timeline": > September 2014: They will be a factor of 10 safer than a person [at the wheel] in a six-year time frame * https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625380 (earlier today)

To be fair FSD is the hardest software problem that man has ever attempted.

I dunno, AGI seems like a hard problem too.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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I'm glad to see the FCC sticking to its requirements and having a testing regime for them. Starlink's own service specifications are far below the 100/20Mbps requirements. They currently are promising 25-100Mbps down, 5-10Mbps up. In congested areas they often don't even deliver that in the evenings. [1]

I use Starlink in my rural area and am grateful for it. But hopefully the $900M will be better spent on other ISPs. A particular problem with Starlink is if it fails, there's no infrastructure left behind. The fiber installs that RDOF is paying for should outlive the companies getting the grants.

[1] https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1400-28829-70

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Starlink service is so obviously phenomenal to anyone who's used it, this isn't going to change that or effect SpaceX's success one bit. The FCC's actions here are just embarrassing their agency by exposing their petty ineptitude and harming whomever this program was supposed to help.

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No they meet the targets just fine the FCC has determined that they don't see a path for SpaceX to meet the 2025 requirements despite the overwhelming evidence that they are keeping up on satellite launches.

That's why everyone is calling it political. The FCC has their opinion and based on that they are withholding not a failure to meet contract requirements.

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