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US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by inemesitaffia »

ianburrell wrote: post #189
ren_engineer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the goal is to get levels of performance that Starlink cannot provide, then this makes sense? no, because the only reason Starlink doesn't currently hit the metrics is due to them having so many users joining. They could hit the metrics by temporarily halting signups, cutting off users, or delaying the Pentagon's massive deployment project. Or Musk could cut off Ukraine's capacity, which the US military admits is…

What Pentagon deployment project? I can't find any news stories about military rolling out Starlink. The only news is US paying for Ukraine's access; cutting off Ukraine would not be good for SpaceX. The military doesn't need Starlink with all their communications satellites. They are looking at it for polar use where Starlink has better coverage. Are you talking about the SDA Starshield constellation? That isn't lau…

Starshield

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Post by martindbp »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #237

It looks like it's becoming apparent that Elon's empire is based on a lot of impossible promises. Starlink is probably one of them. A perfect 'business' for Musk. You can show something great - high speed internet in remote areas - and then extrapolate that - just think about the whole world etc... Faster than fibre, with V2... Thing is, this business is probably not economically viable. It can work if not a lot of p…

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Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by cubefox »

alwayseasy wrote: post #238
cubefox wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Elon has shown himself to be unworthy of any position where trust and good judgement is required. That's an insane statement given the unprecedented success of SpaceX.

The success of SpaceX is placing Musk in a position to decide where America's allies have access to the internet and choosing what region of the world can be cut off just through meeting politicians he likes.

Surely there is no risk the US will be cut off.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by rpmisms »

mason55 wrote: post #131
ren_engineer wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If the goal is to get levels of performance that Starlink cannot provide, then this makes sense? no, because the only reason Starlink doesn't currently hit the metrics is due to them having so many users joining. They could hit the metrics by temporarily halting signups, cutting off users, or delaying the Pentagon's massive deployment project. Or Musk could cut off Ukraine's capacity, which the US military admits is…

> no, because the only reason Starlink doesn't currently hit the metrics is due to them having so many users joining. They could hit the metrics by temporarily halting signups, cutting off users, or delaying the Pentagon's massive deployment project. I admittedly don't know much about this process, but with a billion dollars on the line, why wouldn't they have presented these options? It's not like this came out of n…

Ah, but here you assume that the FCC is acting in good faith. Assume no good faith, and follow the same trail.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by inemesitaffia »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #89
chrisco255 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one else is even close to being able to offer 100/20M rural service.

That's the point of the subsidy: to make the equivalent of fiber runs to rural areas (and presumably local WISPs) cost-effective. The main intent of the subsidy was not to subsidize the development of new, uncertain technologies. Musk still managed to slide in and loot a few billion dollars before they realized that Starlink can't meet their definition of "broadband." No other satellite internet could either.

Where did you get this idea spacex has been paid any money? This article is a denial of said subsidy

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by inemesitaffia »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #214
rapsey wrote: post #135

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VCs are falling over themselves trying to get in on SpaceX. If there were to go public they would immediately be worth hundreds of billions. It will likely be one of the biggest IPOs in history. They are not that strapped for cash.

Then what's the deal with government funds? For a company that doesn't need money, they seem quite upset that they aren't getting much of it.

When your competition gets funds and you don't it puts you at a disadvantage.

You can see NEVI as an example.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by rpmisms »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #214
rapsey wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VCs are falling over themselves trying to get in on SpaceX. If there were to go public they would immediately be worth hundreds of billions. It will likely be one of the biggest IPOs in history. They are not that strapped for cash.

Then what's the deal with government funds? For a company that doesn't need money, they seem quite upset that they aren't getting much of it.

"Oh look, free money to provide the service we're already providing"

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by lolbase »

2devnull wrote: post #150
echelon wrote: post #57

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We need more competition [1] in orbital launch and orbital internet. Backing SpaceX alone when they have the lead will not lead to a good outcome. I'd imagine that there are also concerns about the close ties Musk has to the Russians and how he's tried to insert himself into the Ukrainian conflict on numerous occasions. [1] Not the largess of traditional government contractors Lockheed and Boeing, but the plethora of…

I don’t think moves like this, where the government acts in an adversarial capacity to successful businesses that it previously supported, will do a lot to attract new capital or technologists. If anything, I’d worry such capriciousness discourages investment in the area. If Musk can’t make it work, what odds do the rest of us face. At least that would be my concern, about how this is received by the wider tech commu…

It is beyond parody to refer to "not giving money that was not earned" as acting in an "adversarial capacity".

Your argument is completely detached from reality, and devoid of logic.

Re: US agency will not reinstate $900M subsidy for Starlink

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Post by asylteltine »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #237

It looks like it's becoming apparent that Elon's empire is based on a lot of impossible promises. Starlink is probably one of them. A perfect 'business' for Musk. You can show something great - high speed internet in remote areas - and then extrapolate that - just think about the whole world etc... Faster than fibre, with V2... Thing is, this business is probably not economically viable. It can work if not a lot of p…

Elon “over promise and under deliver” Musk

FSD is coming any day now right?

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