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You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by yardstick »

pseudalopex wrote: post #215
MichaelRo wrote: post #107

>> My brother was in the RAF last time we spoke >> Sometimes I just want to run back home and live with my parents, at the age of 32, and beg them to take care of me. Well this doesn't sound like someone who is destitute and with no safety net whatsoever. What's so wrong living with your parents? For most of human history it was the normal thing to do. Parents will take care of kids and one of them will inherit the p…

She said her brother said she deserved everything she got. This suggested to you he would support her? Wanting to beg her parents to take care of her does not imply they would. Many people want things they cannot have.

Her parents fostered 100s of kids. They helped her, she has her own issues asking for and accepting help.

Except below from https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-...

“” That’s what I don’t understand, I say. Why didn’t you tell your parents when they were in a position to help? “Because … ” For once, she slows down. “I was ashamed. I was ashamed that I had had a good job and I’d fucked it. I was embarrassed that I’d ended up not being able to provide for my son, and I was worried that if I told a soul, the walls would come crumbling down. Because my parents had fostered for most of my childhood, I’d grown up with this fear that if I ever had a child, he would be taken into care. That I would be an unfit mother. I’d grown up with almost 100 children revolving through my childhood home. So in my head, nearly every kid went into care because nearly every kid I came across was in the care system. I was terrified that if I told anyone, my son would be taken into care.” Monroe decided to flog pretty much everything she owned to pay for her rent. She waited until her parents were away, then put a notice in the local paper. It ended up running a story about her and, unsurprisingly, her parents found out. “They were really upset. They came round with two Sainsbury’s bags for life. It was like Christmas. All this stuff that we hadn’t had for ages. There was a box of Coco Pops! I sat there like a child and ate bowl after bowl.” “”

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by shkkmo »

fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #201
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't read the paper, but are we sure that A (wealth/education) follows B (IQ) and not vice versa?

We are almost sure that genetics (and perhaps nutrition) are the main determinants of IQ. We won't have a complete answer until most of the genes that affect intelligence are found. With regard to your specific question of if educational attainment is the main factor in causing IQ to increase, that would mean that everyone at high-school would have the same IQ because they all have the same educational attainment (in…

Genetics account for roughly half of the variation of intelligence between individuals.

That leaves a ton of room for other factors, such as nutrition, health, and education, to create significant disparities.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by moralestapia »

thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

>Nobody is really much better than others

This took me several decades to grasp and then "forgive" myself for not being the person I wanted to be. I also think it is a message that is worth spreading, particularly among young folks.

It's quite easy to amalgamate the concept of meritocracy with that of success, such that a lack of the latter implies a lack of the former. This is (or, at least for me, it was) an endless supply of anxiety of pain, which is completely unfounded.

Everyone fails dozens of times before hitting on something good, it's just the nature of things. Some lucky people can just fail as much as they need to, while some other's can't even afford to try even once. I read this somewhere else and stuck with me, "people don't make better choices, they just have better choices".

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Post by flipgimble »

darkerside wrote: post #187
flipgimble wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the story highlights a problem irrespective of the messenger. Some people cannot help but judge and opine on other's behavior where they have no context, or any moral basis to render that judement. We do this all the time in private, but politicians, or public figures, use the same propensity to pass devastating and life hampering policies, or inflame public opinion against a group of people. All I'm really h…

The problem is that sometimes humility and compassion are not what's needed. Sometimes a person needs a kick in the pants. A close friend willing to tell you to stop impulse buying furniture, or get a fucking job, or get off your ass and work out. The tricky part is knowing when which tactic is called for.

Its fairly obvious that an anonymous stranger on the internet, or a politician proselytizing for their punative economic policies is _not_ that type of friend. But it seems some people derive a great deal of satisfaction out of imaginging themselves as knowing better how people should live their lives.

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Post by elmomle »

thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

https://theamericanscholar.org/the-disadvantages-of-an-elite...

A university professor's personal observations about how a typical city college student faces myriad obstacles to success with little support, whereas a typical student at an elite college must practically struggle to fall through all the safety nets and actually fail. The article should be required reading for anyone who is or has been in any way involved with a higher-tier university in the United States.

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Post by lwhi »

klabb3 wrote: post #218
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a lot of people would be very wrong. There’s a floor to survivability, below which you can’t keep yourself alive, but there is no ceiling. If everyone is above the floor, there’s no reason for concern about those looking for the ceiling. In the future we’ll pull people up to the floor, but that doesn’t require attaching a ceiling. The will never be a successful society that substantially punishes achievement abov…

Depends how much the people at the top (money-wise) are playing zero-sum games. If they are, to a large extent, engaging in asset acquisitions and passive growth of eg real estate, or monopolistic protectionism, then there’s plenty of room for others to engage in activities with positive externalities instead. There’s no question a lot of people don’t get the opportunity to pursue their niche passions and drives, bas…

The issue is, a lot of the people at the top engage in business practices that actively disenfranchise people at the bottom.

Their wealth actually comes from those people who have so little.

Stop peddling this absolute fabrication that there's unlimited wealth and the super rich should be left get richer still.

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Post by gristleous »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #33

One if the worst parts of poverty is that it steals all of your time! All your time is devoted to just surviving, so you can never really better you situation. You want to improve your situation? Not happening, you gotta work 60 hours this week so you cant study for that AWS cert or medical coding cert. Then the job you work is most likely dead end with no advancement or fake advancement. So you live pay check to pay…

This is all just so true. I managed to get into law school while struggling and ended up dropping out the first time around because I worked too much. I made it through the second time, but was crushed by $100-$700 fees for random required things. For example, some test required access to special computers for $300, or some trip that you're 'really supposed to attend' but it's $250. They just expect you to have this cash on hand to go through the program. Obviously a gatekeeping method for the poorer students.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #110
thiago_fm wrote: post #70

That's one big paradox. Coming from poverty, I work with plenty of talented people, but nowhere as talented as the people I've studied in shitty schools. Now most of those people from my poverty times continue to be poor, because of many problems poverty brought to them. I can clearly see that, and that I was the lucky one to find a way up many times. Yet, my new social circle believe that I'm talented because of my…

> humanity could progress faster if we focused instead in eliminating poverty, creating more possibilities for everyone... Those with the wealth and the power to change this, don't have an interest in spreading out welfare and therefore making themselves less wealthy and powerful in the process, but enriching themselves or at least maintaining the status quo, and that usually comes at the expense of keeping those les…

Well said, I think we would be friends. Please send me an email at the link in my bio if you want!

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by WendyTheWillow »

simbolit wrote: post #198
WendyTheWillow wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a lot of people would be very wrong. There’s a floor to survivability, below which you can’t keep yourself alive, but there is no ceiling. If everyone is above the floor, there’s no reason for concern about those looking for the ceiling. In the future we’ll pull people up to the floor, but that doesn’t require attaching a ceiling. The will never be a successful society that substantially punishes achievement abov…

>The[re] will never be a successful society.... As I do hold degrees in the field studying this very question, may I kindly ask for your sources? Or, not being greedy here, reasons...?

I would bet entire dollars you'll hate this source, but here's one: "The Magnificent Progress Achieved By Capitalism: Is the Evidence Incontrovertible?" [0]

Here's a less insane one: "Comparative Economic Systems: Capitalism and Socialism in the 21st Century" [1]

Another one: "Economic Systems and Economic Growth" [2]

It's not really controversial in your field to claim that rewarding effort is a superior model to spreading out value evenly. The question is more of "to what extent" or even "what is achievement."

[0] https://www.jstor.org/stable/41560252

[1] https://www.bu.edu/eci/files/2021/08/Comparative-Economic-Sy...

[2] https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/87244/1/MPRA_paper_87244.pdf

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