Google Imagen 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by quitit » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:33 PM UTC

nabakin wrote: post #27

Mashimo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's hard for me to tell I can only compare it to Stable Diffusion. But Imagen2 seems significant more advanced. Try to do anything with text and SDxl. It's not easy and often messes up. I don't think you can get a clean logo with multiple text areas on sdxl. Look at the prompt and image of the robin. That is mighty impressive.

> I can only compare it to Stable Diffusion. But Imagen2 seems significant more advanced. I wouldn't say this until we are able to try it for ourselves. As we know, Google is prone to severe cherry picking and deceptive marketing.

Google has this thing of releasing concept videos but communicating them as product demos.

Overselling is not a winning strategy, especially when others are shipping genuinely good products.

Every time Google show off something new the first thing people now ask is what part Google faked (or extreme cherry picking).

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by rvnx » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

GaggiX wrote: post #31

Without a paper about the architecture or the training setup, these announcements are particularly boring. I was hoping to see some research development but nothing.

A potentially good summary: "We tried to clone Stable Diffusion except we used more GPUs in the process. However the dataset is so heavily censored that the results are disappointing."

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by rvnx » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #69

gigel82 wrote: post #63

Considering Google was caught faking stuff during the recent Gemini introduction, I'll take this with a big grain of salt, doubly so considering they don't have a way for people to try it out.

Name a corporation that hasn't embellished their corporate tech demos.

OpenAI

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by htrp » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #2

This post has more information: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/i... I can't figure out how to try this thing. The closest I got was this sentence: "To get started with Imagen 2 on Vertex AI, find our documentation or reach out to your Google Cloud account representative to join the Trusted Tester Program."

"To get started with Imagen 2 on Vertex AI, find our documentation or reach out to your Google Cloud account representative to join the Trusted Tester Program."

And also be prepared to wait somewhere between 6- inf months ... at this point the google cloud account reps can't even grease the wheels for us

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by dang » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:41 PM UTC

simonw wrote: post #2

This post has more information: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/i... I can't figure out how to try this thing. The closest I got was this sentence: "To get started with Imagen 2 on Vertex AI, find our documentation or reach out to your Google Cloud account representative to join the Trusted Tester Program."

Ok, we'll change to that from https://deepmind.google/technologies/imagen-2/ above. Thanks!

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by htrp » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:42 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #14

aabhay wrote: post #10

To all the people saying “this sucks because we can’t use it” — there’s no real value in Google releasing this vs just making the announcement. This space is a race to the bottom, and there’s no significant profit being created in image gen right now (even if the service generates cashflow, the training and inference cost is insane). For the sake of team morale and legal risk, this announcement is totally enough, bet…

We can use it. It's generally available. We just can't find the page that explains how to use it or lets us test it.

Only for trusted testers.

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by boh » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:45 PM UTC

I think the competition for text to image services is over and open source, stable diffusion won. It doesn't matter how detailed (or whatever counts as "better") corporate text-to-image products get, stable diffusion is good enough which really is good enough. Unlike the corporate offerings, open source txt2img doesn't have random restrictions (no its not just porn at this point) and actually allows for additional scripts/tooling/models. If you're attempting to do anything on a professional level or produce an image with specific details via txt2img, you likely have a workflow with txt2img being only step one.

Why bother using a product from a company that is notorious for failing to commit to most of their services, when you can run something which produces output that is pretty close (and maybe better) and is free to run and change and train?

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by ravetcofx » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

zamadatix wrote: post #62

arthurdenture wrote: post #39

I asked imagen 2 to generate a transparent product icon image, and it generated an actual grey and white square pattern as the background of the image... https://imgur.com/a/KA2yWHp

Like the other commenter said, these models aren't trained against images with an alpha channel. Given the same sized model that'd make typical results worse to benefit a niche case. You should be able to have them generate this style image on a background you can color key out though.

Those examples look nice and would be trivial to automatically cut out/trace into transparent vector with inkscape

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by ravetcofx » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:49 PM UTC

tomComb wrote: post #64

dissident_coder wrote: post #28

I love being Canadian - "Not Available in Canada Due To Regulatory Uncertainty"

Translation is that the government engaged in a shakedown of Google, on behalf of Bell and Rogers: Bill c-18. It was disgusting and corrupt and I’m glad that Google and Facebook pushed back. This has recently been resolved though, with a compromised deal, so hopefully these services will soon be available here

Except they just came to an agreement https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-bill-c18-on...

Re: Google Imagen 2

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Post by martin_drapeau » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 6:49 PM UTC

dissident_coder wrote: post #28

I love being Canadian - "Not Available in Canada Due To Regulatory Uncertainty"

Same here. Nothing AI related from Google is available in Canada. This sucks.

To add insult to injury, they have nice press releases and demos of their latest AI but aren't easily accessible or available until next year. The press and Wallstreet love gob it up and the stock rises. Is it just for them?