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You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by fngjdflmdflg »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #162
fngjdflmdflg wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The correlation of IQ with income is 0.30[0]. Educational attainment is 0.32. So if you are intelligent (talented) or educated then you are statistically likely to have above average income. If you have both even more so. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602... ( https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2007.02.... ) page 5 table 1.

I didn't read the paper, but are we sure that A (wealth/education) follows B (IQ) and not vice versa?

We are almost sure that genetics (and perhaps nutrition) are the main determinants of IQ. We won't have a complete answer until most of the genes that affect intelligence are found. With regard to your specific question of if educational attainment is the main factor in causing IQ to increase, that would mean that everyone at high-school would have the same IQ because they all have the same educational attainment (inasmuch as what "educational attainment" means in this paper). Wealth of one's parents is a harder problem. I believe that it is not a significant contributing factor beyond not being malnourished. This is based on the fact that the average IQ of some poor countries is higher than the average IQ of some richer countries. But like I said a complete solution to this problem, or – more boldly – an answer that blank-slatists would have no choice but to accept, would involve a more complete understanding of the genetic component including most genes as well as relevant ncDNA sequences.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by bluedino »

cogman10 wrote: post #171
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

Genetics probably play the biggest role when it comes to natural abilities. Height, strength, explosiveness, body proportions, endurance.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by yardstick »

galdosdi wrote: post #81
Mainan_Tagonist wrote: post #35

Humm, I have a feeling part of the story is missing here, even though i can relate as i was myself a minimum wage worker in the hospitality industry in Britain for a while (back in 1999, my annual wage was something like 8500 pounds). Long odd hours, not so pleasant interfacing with customers, 7 people sharing a flat in London, so broke at the end of the month that walking from Mayfair to Canada Water was reality bec…

> Yet, as a foreigner, I (We, as a matter of fact, since all my friends and colleagues were either german, italian, spanish, chinese...) had no real social safety net to rely on. We couldn't go back to our family (500 miles away) with our tail between our legs in case we really fucked up. You didn't have kids though. That changes everything. I do agree from experience as well, a single healthy young person in good sp…

> I assume there wasn't an extended family that was near enough, kind enough, or able enough to take them in for a few years.

Her parents were foster parents to 100s of children. They helped her during her pregnancy etc. She just has issues asking for and accepting help.

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/07/jack-monroe-...

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

aurareturn wrote: post #170
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

>Some people are indeed much better. At what? I consider myself a quick thinker and generally high IQ. But my sister has a way of connecting with children that I will never be able to replicate. So who is "much better"? And at what?

You just said it yourself, you are much better at abstract thinking, while your sister is much better at connecting with children.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by bluedino »

scythe wrote: post #167

The author suggests her work applies to "obesity", but she is not obese. The obesity rate in the UK is 27%; the poverty rate is 17%, and I doubt the overlap is that strong (the link below supports me). Many of her examples in fact deal with people who can't afford things that aren't food, like a kitchen, or free time. On the one hand, it's certainly true that the support for the poor is insufficient, but the price of…

> The obesity rate in the UK is 27%; the poverty rate is 17%, and I doubt the overlap is that strong

US, not the UK:

Counties with poverty rates of >35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties.

Back to Europe:

The Paradox of Poverty and Obesity

Among the reasons for the growing obesity in the population of poor people are: higher unemployment, lower education level, and irregular meals. Another cause of obesity is low physical activity, which among the poor is associated with a lack of money for sports equipment.

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by cogman10 »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #181
cogman10 wrote: post #171

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> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

Lots of top athletes come from either poor countries or from poverty within non-poor countries. NFL teams are full of players who grew up in poverty and ate fast food and processed junk during the formative years of their lives.

There are a bunch of studies around the impact of poverty on athletics. Take this article with a bunch of them [1].

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Just because you can show that "hey, some poor people are awesome athletes" doesn't negate the fact that by and large you can predict who is even participating in sports based on their household income.

I'd also like to challenge you to provide numbers. What percentage of top athletes came from poverty? Not poverty nations, or cities, but actual poverty.

[1] https://journals.lww.com/acsm-csmr/fulltext/2021/09000/dispa...

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by AlexandrB »

bluedino wrote: post #203
cogman10 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Anyone with a little bit of nutritional knowledge knows that having a nutritious diet is a major part of athletic competitiveness. Poverty limits or eliminates the ability of a parent to provide nutritious meals. There's certainly going to be a level of natural talent that exists, but everyone who comes from poverty are playing…

Genetics probably play the biggest role when it comes to natural abilities. Height, strength, explosiveness, body proportions, endurance.

This is inconsistent with the fact that average height has increased significantly over the last two centuries[1]. Our genes have not had time to change in that span, but our environment, including access to nutrients, has changed radically.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/human-height

Re: You Don't Batch Cook When You're Suicidal (2020)

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Post by black_13 »

georgeecollins wrote: post #143
dcist wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people are indeed much better. Anyone who played sports as a kid understands this. Huge differences are immediately apparent in small children. But generally, I agree that, for most life tasks, the differences between people are not enormous. Humanity could do a much better job eliminating poverty. In the future, we may view enormous disparities in wealth as evil as we do racism today.

I don’t think the OP was saying that most people are the same, he was saying that most people have talent. In your sports analogy think about the kid who might be good at wrestling but terrible at track. And vice versa. The worry is that more affluent people sub-consciously see themselves as “better” in a universal way. That is not too different then European aristocracies used to see themselves.

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