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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom ... There are more considerations than simply cost of repair. Used cars break more than new cars. You are more likely to need some sort of backup plan if you have a used car. I'd be fine here in Norway: My 25 year old car is only used a few times a month. Otherwise, my partner and I walk and/or use public transportation. But I'm lucky enough to live in an area wit…
25yrs old is a bit extreme for anecdotal data on used cars. My 10yr old truck has been pretty reliable.
My car is reliable. I got lucky. I've replaced the brakes. And I was illustrating that I only need minimal reliability since it isn't my main form of transporation. I have public transport and live in a walkable place. I can (and do) dress for weather.
The rest of the comments aren't specific to 25 year old cars. I've had an array of used cars in an array of ages. Anything over 4-5 years starts to break due to wear and tear. Alternators and starters go out. Brakes have wear and tear. Things happen. You still likely have a car payment - and you are more likely to if you are poor. Being poor brings the bonus of opting for a car that's been driven more instead of less simply because of the price difference.
'Pretty reliable' isn't the same as the reliability of a newer car.
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#393Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…
It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position! I can completely understand why vehicle manufacturers are so wary. Just look at the history of how Apple, Google, etc companies have behaved when it comes to “partnerships”. Look at the App Store. Look at what Google did to supposedly open source Android. I…
I thought, as I got older, that my hearing was slowly deteriorating, but here you are, proving me wrong because somehow I’m able to hear you playing a tune for GM on the smallest violin ever made by humankind.
Nothing stops vehicle manufacturers from making the best entertainment system any customer could wish for. Instead, they’d rather nickel and dime their customers for everything they’ve got.
Subscriptions for connectivity, subscriptions for car features, subscriptions for basic entertainment functionality, fees for current maps, and on and on it goes. All the while pinching pennies wherever they can by using yesteryear’s computers barely more powerful than a Raspberry Pi (if that) while inflating prices in the US market on cars sold cheaper overseas and lobbying to keep the market as closed off as possible so overseas competitors cannot enter the market.
And make no mistake, this isn’t about being “wary of partnerships”; GM happily licenses Android Automotive.
This is about collecting as much data as possible and capturing revenue by gating as much as possible behind a paywall.
After all, who will pay for connectivity and other features when people can hook up their pocket computers with all that to the screen?
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#394Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#395July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... Not sure how they arrived at the number (maybe only new vehicles), but there was a claim that 79% of US carbuyers would insist on carplay support Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay.…
I certainly would insist on it. CarPlay and its Android counterpart are a far sight better than the infotainment systems the majority of cars ship with to begin with, plus they won’t have problems like their navigation data becoming outdated with updates costing money. My car dash should be the “dumb TV” to my phone’s “streaming box”.
What is the benefit of CarPlay or Android Auto if you have Bluetooth audio? Navigation and music go through the car's speakers.
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dunno, my 18 year old Honda (and wife's Toyota of same age) is pretty much all physical switches (and that's not counting all the cars I've driven since the late 80s). Outside of the occasional manufacturer idiosyncrasies, my Honda's controls pretty much behave the same way that all my prior cars did too. Yes, there are a lot, but I only use a handful of them at any given time. They work predictably, without any ra…
Between cruise control, volumes controls, front wipers, back wipers, camera controls, interior light controls, HVAC, the array is truly bewildering, and I've never been in two cars that were similar unless they had the same manufacturer and were manufactured relatively closely. Now, on my Toyota, though I find the controls bewildering and worse than a well-done screen, I would never ever want Toyota to make a screen…
If you find that bewildering, maybe it's a generational thing. I've been driving for around 35 years, and I never really found it too hard going from one car to another before the LCD era.
At this point, I'm trying to avoid buying a new car, because I don't want a car where I have to put a key in a faraday cage, etc. I don't want to use my phone to unlock my car. To me, these "modern conveniences" have gone so far out of control that they're an inconvenience, and sometimes even dangerous.
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
My impression of Tesla (from driving a friend's, who is a massive Tesla fan) is that I get the feeling that the systems aren't as clever as they think they are, and it led to some "interesting" (actually downright scary and dangerous) experiences with the driver assist functions on a long distance drive we did. It wasn't the full Autopilot, just the lane following/adaptive cruise control kind of thing but we almost d…
> It wasn't the full Autopilot, just the lane following/adaptive cruise control kind of thing but we almost did go off the road at least once. Your friend should have warned you that there are conditions where AP is expected not to work well, they're also clearly stated in the manual. I tend to agree that Tesla oversells the AP/FSD functionality just by the name, AP should be renamed to "vision lane assist", or somet…
> AP should be renamed to "vision lane assist", or something along those lines.
In aviation, all autopilot does is keep your plane going in a straight line at the same speed. So the use of autopilot to describe auto-cruise, lane keep assist (not just going in a straight line, but keeping inside the lane and slowing down when other cars slow down in front of you), well, an aviation autopilot doesn't go that far, so it sounds like underselling rather than overselling to me.
If Tesla is outlawed from using the term auto pilot to describe their feature, it would force the aviation industry to stop using the term as well, so I don't think the NSTB will go there, even if there are public misconceptions that auto pilot is somehow equivalent to full self driving/flying.
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
>>Or just push the button on your steering wheel and use voice control It's literally the worst way to interact with anything. It's infuriating how bad it is, especially for someone whose first language isn't English. It understands maybe 20% of the commands I give it, and the delay between clicking the button, it doing the "bong" to indicate it's ready, then listening to my command, then it processing and finally gi…
Right, I feel your pain, bilingual Android Auto sucks. I wouldn't use voice control to call someone (luckily there is a dedicated button on the steering wheel for that). But for other stuff (changing tracks or albums - "play xxx from spotify") it works just fine for me. And yes, I use a louder "computer" or "command" voice when talking to digital assistants (had to learn how to do that to control Amazon's Alexa devic…
> But for other stuff (changing tracks or albums - "play xxx from spotify") it works just fine for me.
Does that work with foreign titles? Dragostea Din Tei? 爱的就是你?
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#399Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…
> Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted Bzzt. What I want is what I have: there's a $10 bluetooth receiver hooked to the car audio input jack, and a $10 phone holder on top of the dash, and a $10 USB charger plugged into the 12V. If phones routinely came with headphone jacks, I could skip the bluetooth intermediate. So: when I start the car, whatever phone I have paired reconnects with the b…
I'm in your camp.
What I want in a car's "infotainment" center is that it doesn't have one in the first place. I can supply whatever I need on my own.
Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe
#400Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…
> Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted Bzzt. What I want is what I have: there's a $10 bluetooth receiver hooked to the car audio input jack, and a $10 phone holder on top of the dash, and a $10 USB charger plugged into the 12V. If phones routinely came with headphone jacks, I could skip the bluetooth intermediate. So: when I start the car, whatever phone I have paired reconnects with the b…
Seems like that kind of turn signal integration could be easily done via Bluetooth if someone bothered making a standard fo it.