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Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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I'm no great defender of Google but point some fallacies the article pushes:

"regarding a woman losing her entire Google account after one of her 7 year old sons, messing around with a camera and uploading the videos to YouTube, published a video of himself naked. For obvious reasons, that’s a problem"

  If a 7 year old found a parent's gun, walked into the street and shot a neighbor to death accidentally; the parent is also still responsible and accountable.
"he had obtained and published some leaked video footage from Fox News." and "he was able to access the footage by using publicly accessible URLs to obtain the content."

  https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/website-permissions/websites/

  "As a general rule, it is wise to operate under the assumption that all works are protected by either copyright or trademark law unless conclusive information indicates otherwise. A work is not in the public domain simply because it has been posted on the Internet (a popular fallacy) or because it lacks a copyright notice (another myth). For information on these and other public domain issues, see the section, “The Public Domain.”"

  Related, search for "OpenAI lawsuits over copyrighted materials it uses to train ChatGPT".

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" The facts of the article are even less inflammatory. The journalist uploaded 237.22 TB of video to his google drive when the "unlimited" plan existed. When google phased out the unlimited plan, he's not paying fo…

> When google phased out the unlimited plan, he's not paying for a non-unlimited plan, and his account entered a read-only state. You make it sound like he could have chosen to keep paying Google under a different plan, but I can't find any way for him to pay Google to keep the data for him short of creating 100+ dummy "users" in his workspace to get their 2TB each (which I'm sure Google would totally be okay with) […

Google gave him 60 days after they fired him to continue using his account for free. After that they gave him another 5 months in read only mode to find a solution.

The short timeframe now is because the user did nothing in over half a year to resolve the problem.

Google could have more clearly communicated that read-only state was temporary, but assuming it was permanent seems wildly optimistic and naive.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the individual clearly knew they were taking advantage of a system Why do you think this?

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It wasn't free. He was paying for the "unlimited storage" plan.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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> The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" You just expanded it. It's still basically the same. > It would cost the guy $5000 a month to store his data on S3 and he doesn't want to pay that, so he now needs to find someone to bear the cost of storing hi…

Unlimited means unlimited. Too often what gets lost in the phrase "edge case" is that there's a human being on the other end. They should do the decent thing and work with him and anyone else storing more data than can be practically downloaded to come up with a workaround or extension. Imagine if your bank closed your account and forfeited your money because they couldn't dole it out to you fast enough.

Unlimited does. And it should.

But if its your "lifes work" i would assume the value there is more than just the cost of storage. That the person storing it would have thought about ownership and egress options a bit further out.

Like i use workspace for all sorts of stuff. But its google, they can and may just axe your account for any reason. So i have backups of all things at all times and worst case, i just move my email/drive whatever to another service along with the domain, which I own (and he appears to as well)

Im not excusing google at all. But at some point you have to take some accountability. Not having a backup plan and just trusting google or ANY company to faithfully keep your lifes work for you seems slightly....naive.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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I honestly don't know why anyone would use Google for anything anymore.

Maybe someone who like losing work, like losing money, like his account being terminated for whatever puerile reason, likes being tracked and likes to see lots of ads. Wait, I don't think such a person exists. Wrong market fit, Google!

They're going to corner the https://www.dictionary.com/browse/masochist market.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" The facts of the article are even less inflammatory. The journalist uploaded 237.22 TB of video to his google drive when the "unlimited" plan existed. When google phased out the unlimited plan, he's not paying fo…

For 5k you could build a box to store that kind of data. Throw in a case of beer, and maid services to clean up your living room afterward, and you'd still make budget. ETA: OK maybe more like 10-12k it would be.

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Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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> The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" Correct. 7 days is not enough time to stream >200TB of data, let alone find a place to stream it to. This puts a human being in a crisis position. He doesn't need to just find someone willing to store his data.…

He had ~6 months to download his data, not 7 days: they told him on the 11th of May 2023 (or thereabouts they gave him a 60 day period ending on the 10th of July 2023) that he had exceeded his quota. They should, of course, have given a clear timeline for deletion at that point, but does he seriously expect other people to believe he was naive enough to think Google would continue to store his data forever after they…

> but does he seriously expect other people to believe he was naive enough to think Google would continue to store his data forever after they withdrew the unlimited service he was using?

I doubt he expected Google to store his data forever, and I don’t see anything indicating that this is what he expects. Forever is a straw man.

It would be reasonable to expect some kind of migration / off-boarding plan, and it’s Google’s responsibility to facilitate that after pulling the plug on services they previously committed to providing.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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People really need to understand that Google is a garbage company that can't be relied on for anything. I've spent years as a consultant, and several more in the startup world, and I'd rather host all my content in us-east-1 than rely on google. * I've had customers get their cloud accounts shut down for a literal three cent billing error, * I've seen people who use Google for advertising pay thousands of dollars and…

Yeah, say all you want about AWS pricing, but damn if Amazon doesn't go out of their way to support things for a very long time.

Same applies to Azure, they also have their issues, but not Google bad.
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