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Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by jjtheblunt »

soco wrote: post #24
joemazerino wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? Ivermectin is a notable antiviral medication that many, many Americans took to limit the COVID viral spread in their body. The media's attack on it was purely from a Pharma profit motive.

You are right Ivermectin is an antiviral and also right many Americans (and not only) took it. The results however, according to Google at least, seem to be at most "meh". The first results page shows only one positive correlation: in hamsters. But I'd be happy to see some more positive studies.

Here’s one from the NIH

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

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Post by joshuahedlund »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #31
soco wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right Ivermectin is an antiviral and also right many Americans (and not only) took it. The results however, according to Google at least, seem to be at most "meh". The first results page shows only one positive correlation: in hamsters. But I'd be happy to see some more positive studies.

Here’s one from the NIH https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

The takeaway I got from this post was you only see positive effects in countries where lots of people had stomach worms and the ivermectin was probably actually just helping with that: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-y...

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Post by Amezarak »

shfjdk wrote: post #8
Amezarak wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Covid immunosuppression is the problem, then why are young people (per the article) a disproportionate share of the excess deaths? > Unlike in the pandemic’s early phase, these deaths are not primarily among the old. For people 65 and over, deaths in the second quarter of 2023 were 6 percent below the pre-pandemic norm, according to a new report from the Society of Actuaries. Mortality was 26 percent higher among…

Because old folk’s immune systems are already differentiated/less effective

That doesn't mean they can't become less effective from Covid. The article mentions that deaths among the elderly are below pre-pandemic levels, which suggests that any such immune weakening is not the reason for excess deaths.

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by thenerdhead »

Since when is COVID behind us? We are all living with a novel virus that is deadly in many mammals except bats. We are seeing people developing long covid with each new infection. We’re seeing vaccines cause similar syndrome for an unfortunate few where antibodies created causes autoimmune issues.

The science is not perfect. Vaccines aren’t sterilizing, current treatments aren’t effective enough to prevent disease progression, and we are only approaching the 5 year mortality mark.

When we develop more effective vaccines and treatments, perhaps we will see this start to settle alongside all the other challenges that continue to get worse.

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by joshuahedlund »

Amezarak wrote: post #5
bad_alloc wrote: post #2

> With the worst of COVID behind us, annual deaths for all causes should be back to pre-pandemic levels — or even lower because of the loss of so many sick and infirm Americans. Since we now know that Covid can lead to long-term suppression of the immune system and that a significant part of infected people have other lingering issues, this is obviously false.

If Covid immunosuppression is the problem, then why are young people (per the article) a disproportionate share of the excess deaths? > Unlike in the pandemic’s early phase, these deaths are not primarily among the old. For people 65 and over, deaths in the second quarter of 2023 were 6 percent below the pre-pandemic norm, according to a new report from the Society of Actuaries. Mortality was 26 percent higher among…

How much higher are drug overdoses in 2023 compared to 2019?

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Post by graphe »

Quick2822 wrote: post #6

A little something about the author of the opinion piece. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory

This is a ringing endorsement for his integrity. He wasn't afraid of saying the truth.

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by graphe »

Quick2822 wrote: post #11
Eumenes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

does anyone regret not getting it?

I imagine those who died have some regrets.

Some also took the vaccine and died. Those that took the mRNA treatment and died as well as those that didn't take the experimental drug and died both regret it.

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by gandalfgreybeer »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #31
soco wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right Ivermectin is an antiviral and also right many Americans (and not only) took it. The results however, according to Google at least, seem to be at most "meh". The first results page shows only one positive correlation: in hamsters. But I'd be happy to see some more positive studies.

Here’s one from the NIH https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

> “Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.”

So were there actual follow ups to this study where the sample size is not just 72?

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by Amezarak »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #35
Amezarak wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Covid immunosuppression is the problem, then why are young people (per the article) a disproportionate share of the excess deaths? > Unlike in the pandemic’s early phase, these deaths are not primarily among the old. For people 65 and over, deaths in the second quarter of 2023 were 6 percent below the pre-pandemic norm, according to a new report from the Society of Actuaries. Mortality was 26 percent higher among…

How much higher are drug overdoses in 2023 compared to 2019?

The article mentions overdoses. They don't explain the difference.

> To some extent, we know what is killing the young, with an actuarial analysis of government data showing mortality increases in liver, kidney and cardiovascular diseases, and diabetes. Drug overdoses also soared nationwide, but not primarily in the young working class.

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by graphe »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #38
jjtheblunt wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s one from the NIH https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

> “Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.” So were there actual follow ups to this study where the sample size is not just 72?

Pfizer found out it was a protease inhibitor and made a new expensive patent drug based off this completely useless and dangerous right wing propaganda. This completely pointless and horrible unsafe ivermectin's effects were amplified to cure COVID.
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