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Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by hnthrowaway121 »

liveoneggs wrote: post #3

Is this article blaming covid vaccines?

It definitely implies so. It’s authored by Pierre Kory, one of the leaders of a small group called the “Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance”[1]. They promoted numerous non-solutions during the pandemic and seem to be generally discredited.

I’m really cautious about the conclusions in this article. It would be a big change for him to start making well reasoned, good faith arguments on this subject matter all of a sudden.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Line_COVID-19_Critical...

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Post by zmgsabst »

anovikov wrote: post #9
liveoneggs wrote: post #3

Is this article blaming covid vaccines?

If that is implied, it is verifiably false. In the EU we had higher Covid vaccine coverage, including coverage with all vaccines given in the U.S., plus one more which wasn't given in the U.S. and which is also the only one with known adverse effects - AstraZeneca's. And we don't have any excess mortality now. So it's certainly not vaccines.

Do you have a source on those claims?

All I can find is Europe experiencing excess death:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

And similarly, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have 1/1000 rate of serious adverse events:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

A pro-active study of Pfizer from Thailand observed 1 in 35 showing elevated bio markers of heart damage:

https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196

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Post by manwe150 »

anovikov wrote: post #9
liveoneggs wrote: post #3

Is this article blaming covid vaccines?

If that is implied, it is verifiably false. In the EU we had higher Covid vaccine coverage, including coverage with all vaccines given in the U.S., plus one more which wasn't given in the U.S. and which is also the only one with known adverse effects - AstraZeneca's. And we don't have any excess mortality now. So it's certainly not vaccines.

It seems the article was going to say it was an increasing drug-use (opioid) and mental health epidemic in the US (which seems likely true). Then took a left turn and blamed the deaths of middle aged people on getting a Covid vaccine as a baby—citing a yale study on side-effects that showed people were more depressed and anxious post-vaccination than they expected as “evidence” that the vaccine was contributing to excess mortality

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Post by soco »

joemazerino wrote: post #17
Quick2822 wrote: post #6

A little something about the author of the opinion piece. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory

And? Ivermectin is a notable antiviral medication that many, many Americans took to limit the COVID viral spread in their body. The media's attack on it was purely from a Pharma profit motive.

You are right Ivermectin is an antiviral and also right many Americans (and not only) took it. The results however, according to Google at least, seem to be at most "meh". The first results page shows only one positive correlation: in hamsters. But I'd be happy to see some more positive studies.

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Post by rob74 »

> In the United Kingdom, where post-pandemic excess deaths in similar demographics also persist, a government-funded independent inquiry is underway. “With each passing week of the COVID inquiry,” the BBC reported recently, “it is clear there were deep flaws in the way decisions were made and information provided during the pandemic.”

The linked BBC article has a lot to say about the mistakes that were made during the pandemic (e.g. waiting too long before the first lockdown in March 2020), but nothing about post-pandemic excess deaths. Throwing around quotes taken out of context again, are we?

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

anovikov wrote: post #9
liveoneggs wrote: post #3

Is this article blaming covid vaccines?

If that is implied, it is verifiably false. In the EU we had higher Covid vaccine coverage, including coverage with all vaccines given in the U.S., plus one more which wasn't given in the U.S. and which is also the only one with known adverse effects - AstraZeneca's. And we don't have any excess mortality now. So it's certainly not vaccines.

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Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by manwe150 »

zmgsabst wrote: post #22
anovikov wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is implied, it is verifiably false. In the EU we had higher Covid vaccine coverage, including coverage with all vaccines given in the U.S., plus one more which wasn't given in the U.S. and which is also the only one with known adverse effects - AstraZeneca's. And we don't have any excess mortality now. So it's certainly not vaccines.

Do you have a source on those claims? All I can find is Europe experiencing excess death: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... And similarly, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have 1/1000 rate of serious adverse events: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/ A pro-active study of Pfizer from Thailand observed 1 in 35 showing elevated bio markers of heart damage: https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6…

That rate looks not-statistically significant in that study. And also not too “serious” (in layman’s terms, not medically speaking) as the baseline rate for the placebo was 18/10000 (the 1/1000 is a delta value above that)

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Post by fuzzbazz »

base698 wrote: post #14
anovikov wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is implied, it is verifiably false. In the EU we had higher Covid vaccine coverage, including coverage with all vaccines given in the U.S., plus one more which wasn't given in the U.S. and which is also the only one with known adverse effects - AstraZeneca's. And we don't have any excess mortality now. So it's certainly not vaccines.

Seems still higher some countries and lower in others. I'm not familiar with the country codes, so if someone is maybe enlighten me. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

higher on average and lower in some eastern Europe countries

Re: Why Are So Many Americans Dying Early?

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Post by api »

joemazerino wrote: post #17
Quick2822 wrote: post #6

A little something about the author of the opinion piece. During his testimony in December 2020, Kory erroneously claimed that the antiparasitic medication ivermectin was a "wonder drug" with "miraculous effectiveness" against COVID-19. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory

And? Ivermectin is a notable antiviral medication that many, many Americans took to limit the COVID viral spread in their body. The media's attack on it was purely from a Pharma profit motive.

I don't understand why people don't see the profit motive in "alternative" medicine.

There is profit motive everywhere in everything because we live in a market economy. Alternative medicine is a gigantic industry, as is "alternative" media etc. Everyone is making money and people tend to promote the things they are selling.

It's the typical populist thing of "I don't trust the establishment anymore, so now I am going to go mindlessly believe everything this random asshole on YouTube says..."

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