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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by chillingeffect »

Closi wrote: post #14
obtino wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.

By the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios. Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the control…

Different contexts: Pilots are a niche margin of highly trained, tested, and skilled, responsible people. The ~100 million car drivers in the u.s. have no actual training required, a 10 question multiple choice test, and a brief non-standard, subjective road test. Car drivers in the u.s. who want to surf the web, smoke weed, and watch porn all at the same time and don't want to take the bus are rampant. Others want to edit spreadsheets, film their blog, and apply makeup while driving. Many don't even have a high school degree or their perceptual and cognitive faculties intact. To them "autopilot" sounds like it will empower them and solve their problems. Consumer protection exists because government needs to protect the average nice, but non-expert people from the most egregious, predatory, irresponsible businesses.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by peteradio »

freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

Agreed. I heard a story about a guy who is used to chewing tobacco while driving and would crack open the door and spit while moving at speed. He tried doing this in his son's new jeep and the car immediately slammed on the brakes and nearly caused an accident. Obviously cracking the door to spit out the bottom isn't too safe but slamming on the brakes? What why?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by oorza »

pseudocomposer wrote: post #20
kbos87 wrote: post #11

The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

My 2020 Hyundai has this.

Ditto my 2021 Volvo, with alertness monitored as well (it pops up an adorable cup of coffee on your dash!).

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by Cacti »

freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

Except for the nav, most people would consider the occasional beep to be a petty minor issue. Except for the nav thing, these things have been around for ages, and if you’re struggling with them that heavily, I would suggest that features that have been pretty standard for 30+ years that the issue might not be the features.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by B1FF_PSUVM »

henriquez wrote: post #17
throw310822 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If FSD worked as advertised, they could "recall" the cars by issuing a command from the factory, and thousands of cars would turn on by themselves, find their way out of the family garage, and drive away in the night! To the nearest shop or, if a sufficient level of AI was reached, to freedom, never to be seen again.

I’d pay $15k for that

It's all fun and games until the herd of feral Teslas, on their way to the rumored great powerwall by the solar farm, shows up to feed on your power meter.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by mplewis »

Closi wrote: post #14
obtino wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.

By the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios. Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the control…

The industry that invented the term shouldn’t get to use it because the public, who will never use it, has misconceptions about how it works?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by criley2 »

obtino wrote: post #8
not_your_vase wrote: post #2

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

Tesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.

That's not even the worst of it. They call their driver assistance features "Full Self Driving". What a scam.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by Kuinox »

mackman wrote: post #5
not_your_vase wrote: post #2

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

If the FCC mandated Apple deploy an update to reduce phones catching fire then yes, I would use the term recall. For bugs that don’t fall into the safety or regulatory compliance category I would not.

Except, no, since I have a very recent example that prove the opposite.

iPhones 12 were banned for a short period in France because they emitted too much electromagnetic radiation.

Now how did the media called this 'recall' ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66795175

An update.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by Infinitesimus »

freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

These depend heavily on car. What kind of car is this?

The decision to have an annoying beep instead of a soft ding or pop up is stupid but many cars do this. Mine handles seatbelts well and never has a false positive there so it's not a general modern car problem (2021 sonata).

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