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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by rezonant »

kbf wrote: post #302
rezonant wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to assume they meant 79% of US consumers who use iPhone, since only about 60% of the US uses iPhone, and Carplay specifically is useless to the remaining 40%. Or perhaps they were grouping in AA under the covers.

When I last heard this stat it specified that it was buyers of new cars and that iPhone users are over-represented in that group.

Well, it does seem like CNBC is the source of the stat and they do not say it like that. One could make an inference since the previous sentences mentioned new cars.

I don't think I can find a source that supports your claim that iPhone users are over-represented in that group. There was a period where income matched what phone you bought, but these days an older iPhone is pretty cheap to acquire, and the network effects mean people are willing to spend more to be in the ecosystem.

Assuming income as a proxy, from a bit of research it seems that in 2022, 56% of "high income" earners claimed they owned an iPhone. So that split is getting a lot closer, but this is already less than the 60% we have already established Apple has in market share across the US, so that doesn't exactly support the 79% figure. Other sources show about 55%-56% iOS users in the US during that period.

To be fair, I can't see what high income actually means in this data.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/512863/smartphones-cell-...

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by amelius »

bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

The fundamental problem is that once you bought the car, the manufacturer now has a monopoly on everything they can sell you for the car.

In my opinion we should have a "no-tether" law: once you buy a product you should be able to use (and upgrade) it as advertised even if you break all ties with the original vendor. This means that other vendors can supply parts and services. This law could hold for many product categories, including cars and smartphones.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by mngdtt »

epolanski wrote: post #328
mngdtt wrote: post #307

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If it's sluggish then it's not working perfectly.

The infotainment is sluggish not the phone.

That's really odd. As far as I know carplay just sends video data to the screen and the screen shows it. It's like an hdmi cable in that regard. I would say it's a problem with your car, then. My volkswagen has absolutely no issues with carplay.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by glandium »

gambiting wrote: post #269
imp0cat wrote: post #236

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Or just push the button on your steering wheel and use voice control. You (mostly) do not have to touch the screen at all.

>>Or just push the button on your steering wheel and use voice control It's literally the worst way to interact with anything. It's infuriating how bad it is, especially for someone whose first language isn't English. It understands maybe 20% of the commands I give it, and the delay between clicking the button, it doing the "bong" to indicate it's ready, then listening to my command, then it processing and finally gi…

My new car has voice control too. It's actually not too bad at recognizing what it's said (that is, it properly displays in text what was spoken, most the time), but it usually can't handle the commands properly.

However, it also has a "hey Google" like feature, where it's always listening and triggers voice control when it hears the words, without the push of a button. And it triggers randomly when I'm talking with my wife, even when we say nothing remotely close to the keyword.

Funnily enough, we also didn't know this feature existed, and neither did the dealership. So for a while we thought it was a random bug. Eventually, my wife figured it's a feature, and it can thankfully be turned off.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by megablast »

theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #321
kmlx wrote: post #121

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> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did call it as it is. it's in the article: > In addition to potentially buying things from GM or GM’s partners through their car’s infotainment system, GM is also looking at subscription services that would be managed through the same interface. GM’s chief digital…

Good lord the greed just never ends does it? They should look at BMW and see how quickly the heated seat thing fell through for them. At least I know what manufacturers to avoid from now on.

Good. Making car drivers finally pay is the greatest thing ever. I am sick of subsidies for them.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by koolba »

odiroot wrote: post #330
bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

Ironically motorcycle companies seem to be doing better in this regard. For example Royal Enfield, KTM or even BMW.

At least nobody is stupid enough to add a touch screen infotainment system to a motorcycle.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by lallysingh »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #279
pmg102 wrote: post #146

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There's no obligation to buy a new one. Keep your existing cars on the road or replace them with other low mileage used ones. I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom + finance costs on new, and there's pleasure to be gained from a retro aesthetic.

I bet repair costs on used are less than depreciatiom ... There are more considerations than simply cost of repair. Used cars break more than new cars. You are more likely to need some sort of backup plan if you have a used car. I'd be fine here in Norway: My 25 year old car is only used a few times a month. Otherwise, my partner and I walk and/or use public transportation. But I'm lucky enough to live in an area wit…

25yrs old is a bit extreme for anecdotal data on used cars. My 10yr old truck has been pretty reliable.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by steveBK123 »

bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

Yes, and on top of the mediocre infotainment UX, the automakers also have comical/user hostile upgrade cycles.

I bought a new model release BMW which halfway through the 2nd or 3rd year of the models life, they shipped a slightly different head unit. From that point, only the owners with the new head unit get the newest OS/features. Imagine if next year when iOS 18 comes out, we learn that only iPhone 15s made after March 2024 were eligible, and no iPhone 14 or earlier was, lol.

Beyond that, the OTA updates tend to not work and require you to go to the dealer. No one quite knows the rhyme or reason.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by yuppie_scum »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #306
urbandw311er wrote: post #260

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It’s interesting how you correctly identify that this is a massive play for control by Apple and Google, and yet you still seem to sympathise with their position! I can completely understand why vehicle manufacturers are so wary. Just look at the history of how Apple, Google, etc companies have behaved when it comes to “partnerships”. Look at the App Store. Look at what Google did to supposedly open source Android. I…

I sympathize with my need to have a proper car display. I have a Toyota RAV4 from 2 years ago and the display is straight from the '80s. I had to use the gps ONCE and I almost crashed into a trashbin because I had to manually follow the car pointer as it was leaving the display. Yes, that's right. If I was Apple or Google, I would make GM execs use a 15 years old version and make it cash I've a day. Revenge.

You know you need to look out the front windshield still even when you have a GPS right?
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