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GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by theyeenzbeanz »

kmlx wrote: post #121
ungamedplayer wrote: post #4

Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. It's okay gm, we understand. Let's hope you are able to make a compelling competition to this, otherwise your sales will suffer. Traditional car software is very very poor for whatever reason. I don't think that car manufacturers have the mindset and capability to make e…

> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did call it as it is. it's in the article: > In addition to potentially buying things from GM or GM’s partners through their car’s infotainment system, GM is also looking at subscription services that would be managed through the same interface. GM’s chief digital…

Good lord the greed just never ends does it? They should look at BMW and see how quickly the heated seat thing fell through for them. At least I know what manufacturers to avoid from now on.

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Post by sundvor »

andruby wrote: post #139
verhaust wrote: post #124

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Can you give examples of this? I was recently looking for a car and saw the discounts and credits for a Tesla and thought it was finally time to go electric. Then I started researching the interface and saw so many people talking about how clunky it was and they decided to just use bluetooth with their phone to listen to music rather than the interface or even worse hacks where they setup a web server on their phone…

My personal opinion: 1. The navigation works really well for me. Including routing via superchargers 2. The UX of not needing a key. The bluetooth phone key works so much more reliably than other car manufacturers (n=1) 3. The screen is very responsive. Touch UI is fast. 4. The backup and side camera view is the best I’ve seen on cars. 5. Record the last X minutes from all cameras when you honk (someone backed into m…

Agree, Tesla software is amazing. Have had a Model 3 for 1.5 years; I think I love the remote climate most of all, living in Melbourne, Australia.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by tarsinge »

nfRfqX5n wrote: post #318
tarsinge wrote: post #313

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Vehicle manufacturers are not (edit: end-user/OS) software companies, it doesn't make sense (or for any company for which it's not the core business) to build their own OS. Yes OS builders control the OS by definition. What's next, car manufacturers producing music so they get control back on what drivers listen to?

sure they are. there's a ton of software running in cars outside of the infotainment system

I should have added the distinction: they are not end-user software companies, embedded is another world.

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by kmlx »

eviks wrote: post #152
kmlx wrote: post #121

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> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did call it as it is. it's in the article: > In addition to potentially buying things from GM or GM’s partners through their car’s infotainment system, GM is also looking at subscription services that would be managed through the same interface. GM’s chief digital…

They didn't call it as it is, that's just the obvious conclusion the author of the article makes based on another source, they make up unverified safety allegations > though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.

you misread the article.

they did:

> Automakers see subscriptions as huge new source of income to be tapped, with GM alone hoping to make as much as $25 billion per year just off subscriptions by 2030.

and the following quote is from a different part of the article:

> though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.

specifically:

> Essentially, the thinking is that if a car’s in-built infotainment system is good enough, drivers will be less likely to use their phone for what they’re trying to do while they’re behind the wheel, — though Babbitt admits that GM hasn’t exactly tested this in a controlled setting to see whether or not it’s true.

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Post by andruby »

verhaust wrote: post #160
andruby wrote: post #139

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My personal opinion: 1. The navigation works really well for me. Including routing via superchargers 2. The UX of not needing a key. The bluetooth phone key works so much more reliably than other car manufacturers (n=1) 3. The screen is very responsive. Touch UI is fast. 4. The backup and side camera view is the best I’ve seen on cars. 5. Record the last X minutes from all cameras when you honk (someone backed into m…

2-8 do sound great. They are the reasons I was looking at a Tesla. Hadn't even heard of some of those. The car I'm looking to replace is a 2009 toyota corolla commuter car that is really starting to have maintenance issues. The right speakers even stopped working a few years ago. The speaker on my phone is better so I just put the sound all the way up and use that. The audio sucks, but it's easy. I sit down, press pl…

I was doubting for a while until I took a test drive. You can ask for the last test drive on Saturday evening and keep it till Monday morning. At least here in Belgium that works and you get to properly test it. Which helped to try out the baby and kid chairs we use.

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Post by glenngillen »

Xcelerate wrote: post #317
esyir wrote: post #263

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Turns out doing it better influences people's preferences. The problem is fundamentally that the carmakers do such a shit job. If infotainment systems matter at all to consumers, we'd expect to see GM take a hit for this, and get their market share eaten by competitors who don't do so.

> we'd expect to see GM take a hit for this, and get their market share eaten by competitors who don't do so. I think there’s a better chance of this happening than they believe. I bought a new Camry in 2017, right at the start of their 4 year upgrade cycle (i.e., the 2018 version). I chose a Camry due to their well-known reliability. However, none of the new vehicle models that Toyota sold had CarPlay at that point,…

My family wanted to buy a very capable 4x4 a couple of years ago. We wanted something capable of towing a large load and to take offroad in some challenging areas, which means most of the SUVs designed for road use are out of the question. At least locally, Toyota are usually considered among the best in this criteria. I was pretty shocked at how dated absolutely everything about it looked and felt. It was definitely a capable offroad vehicle, but it also seemed like it was stuck in the 90's design wise. And by the time it was fully optioned it was, IMO, far too expensive to justify how compromised it felt. It felt like they'd let their reputation stall out their design for a couple of decades.

We ended up buying something else that was much more comfortable and better designed (including CarPlay!) and haven't regretted it.

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Post by epolanski »

mngdtt wrote: post #307
epolanski wrote: post #297

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The idea that I have to upgrade my perfectly working phone to get a better infotainment experience sounds ridiculous. Also, as I stated, I'm perfectly fine with the out-of-the-box experience of the infotainment in both my cars. There's radio, there's maps, that's all I really need.

If it's sluggish then it's not working perfectly.

The infotainment is sluggish not the phone.

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Post by kmlx »

theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #321
kmlx wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Call it what it is.. they like the control of their in car entertainment systems and they don't want external companies taking that part of the pie. they did call it as it is. it's in the article: > In addition to potentially buying things from GM or GM’s partners through their car’s infotainment system, GM is also looking at subscription services that would be managed through the same interface. GM’s chief digital…

Good lord the greed just never ends does it? They should look at BMW and see how quickly the heated seat thing fell through for them. At least I know what manufacturers to avoid from now on.

> Good lord the greed just never ends does it?

GM profit margins have been stable for the past 13 years:

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GM/general-motors/...

now look at Tesla's profit margins:

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/profit-...

Re: GM says it's dropping Apple CarPlay and Android Auto because they're unsafe

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Post by odiroot »

bastard_op wrote: post #156

Automobile companies tried for years to make a decent infotainment system in cars, and almost universally they were all terrible no matter how expensive the vehicle. Finally Android Auto and CarPlay gave everyone what they wanted - decent access to music on their phone, call capabilities that actually work, and program integration with things they actually use with internet service they already have. Then manufacture…

Ironically motorcycle companies seem to be doing better in this regard. For example Royal Enfield, KTM or even BMW.
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