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What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's my understanding that they still retain a lot of control over Mickey Mouse indefinitely because he is trademarked as the face of their company.

That's almost the most infuriating thing about their copyright grabs; it hardly even gets them anything of interest. They're not making any money on the actual Steamboat Willie movie. We're still a ways away from anything of even modest commercial interest from Disney entering the public domain, and even when Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs does finally come into public domain, I can't imagine it meaningfully affects…

> That's almost the most infuriating thing about their copyright grabs; it hardly even gets them anything of interest. They're not making any money on the actual Steamboat Willie movie.

It's not about making money from Steamboat Willie, it's about preventing others from enjoying it without a monetary transaction happening. I'm sure if they could, Disney would rather destroy all copies of a work they weren't making money from than release them for free. Look at game companies fighting against people distributing abandonware. It's not about the value of that particular good--it's about the value of the other things they are trying to sell, and not letting customers get something for nothing.

"The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country."

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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"The Passion of Joan of Arc directed by Carl Theodor Dreyer" As old, silent films go, this is quite good. In the past, this might mean a cheap DVD release. Not sure the signficance of public domain for movies these days.

One of my favourite releases of 2023 was a well restored edition of Laurel & Hardy's first year (1927) of films[1].

The copyright holder had neglected them somewhat with them only being released in ancient DVD-era masters.

This new release gives the films a full digital restoration based on the best archival materials from around the world.

I genuinely think without public domain day, this never would have happened and I very much hope we see a similar edition of their 1928 films next year.

[1] https://www.rogerebert.com/streaming/laurel-and-hardy-year-o...

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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If something is in the public domain, is it still accessible for copying or can companies still profit off of selling public domain material? For example, if I “pirate” a public domain text published by some company, am I in the wrong?

Very good question! Not an IP lawyer, but I believe the gist of it you may copy the original work, but not any sufficiently transformative derivative work, as that would gain its own copyright. So you could copy the text of a public domain book and re-publish it yourself, yes. You could also sell your copies for $10/ea, just like the publisher you're copying from is doing, or give them away for free, or whatever you…

> illustrations or cover art or a forward, etc,

OT, but isn't it called "foreword"? You're the second person in this thread calling it "forward" which means something completely different to me, while "foreword" is basically a literal translation of the word for it in my native language.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the copy protection on the original Gameboy. So Nintendo makes the Gameboy, and they only want authorized games to be used in the system. But how can they stop someone from looking at the hardware and making a compatible game without paying a license fee? Well, they build a check into the hardware for a specific set of assembly code on the cartridge. If your cart doesn't have that exact assembly it…

damn thats big brain

It also didn’t work, both technically and legally

> This has however been rendered pointless once the courts ruled in Accolade's favor in Sega v. Accolade, where Sega's trademark enforcement system was questioned as being monopolistic, and bypassing it by third parties on the grounds that it is for the purposes of lawful interoperability was ruled as fair use.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/CopyProtection/Ninten...

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very good question! Not an IP lawyer, but I believe the gist of it you may copy the original work, but not any sufficiently transformative derivative work, as that would gain its own copyright. So you could copy the text of a public domain book and re-publish it yourself, yes. You could also sell your copies for $10/ea, just like the publisher you're copying from is doing, or give them away for free, or whatever you…

> illustrations or cover art or a forward, etc, OT, but isn't it called "foreword"? You're the second person in this thread calling it "forward" which means something completely different to me, while "foreword" is basically a literal translation of the word for it in my native language.

Hey, you're right[1]! News to me, hah.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreword

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The timelessness of those old cartoons has waned considerably. GenX was already getting reruns of Disney and Looney Tunes cartoons that were aimed at Boomers. As the boomers are aging out, a lot of the slices of both domestic life and leisure time in these cartoons are something alien. Women in the kitchen? Hunting rabbits? And with a shotgun? Really? Itchy and Scratchy are Tom and Jerry ad absurdum. The Flintstones…

Neither of those things are alien. A world exists outside of whatever metropolis you think is the center of the universe. Millions and millions of people hunt and millions and millions of women are primary caretakers or stay at home moms.

I would say the world shown in those cartoons is alien to viewers of today.

There were millions of hunters and millions of stay at home mothers in the 40's during Tom & Jerry's original run, but there's many fewer millions now.

Consider: Women jumped from a third working in 1950 to just over two-thirds (of those who have children under 6, even) working as of the year 2000. We've had another two decades and change plus recessions since then, how much smaller could the demographic be?

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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How do authors make a living by giving away all their work for free?

Authors don't make a living from their work now. I've known many authors and they all do it as a side gig.. to promote their career while making a few extra bucks. None of them were even close to doing it for a living. If you want to encourage writing you'll need a different system than copyright.

Weird. Every author I'm aware of writes their books for an actual living.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Disney Animation has been using a clip from Steamboat Willy (and the song) as their opening bumper for years. It was originally done when John Lassiter took over Disney Animation as an homage to his idol Walt. But some IP lawyers have said that it may also make it impossible to use Steamboat Willy in the public domain because they could claim you're violating their copyright on their bumper. Will be interesting to se…

This reminds me of the copy protection on the original Gameboy. So Nintendo makes the Gameboy, and they only want authorized games to be used in the system. But how can they stop someone from looking at the hardware and making a compatible game without paying a license fee? Well, they build a check into the hardware for a specific set of assembly code on the cartridge. If your cart doesn't have that exact assembly it…

Nintendo wasn't actually the first company to implement cartridge logo checks. Sega did it first with their "Trademark Security System" or TMSS, which worked in pretty much the same way, but then lost in a US court case against Accolade as the judges deemed that anything strictly required for games to work could not be protected by copyright or trademark law.

Despite the precedent however, the same idea kept popping up in many subsequent consoles and even some non-gaming products:

- The original PlayStation reads the logo that gets displayed on the startup screen from the first 16 sectors of the disc. Notably, US consoles will not validate the logo against a known good copy - possibly hinting at the fact Sony was aware of the TMSS case - but Japanese and late European models will.

- Similarly, PS2 games must contain a bitmap of the startup screen logo in the first 16 sectors of the disc, and PS3 games are required to have a PNG of the original PS3 logo in their filesystem.

- Xbox 360 hard drives must have a PNG of the Microsoft logo in their "security sector", which among other things contains a digitally signed copy of the drive's serial number to ensure third party drives cannot be used.

- macOS will refuse to boot in a VM or on non-Apple hardware unless the BIOS can provide a supposedly copyrighted (but otherwise well known) 64-character string.

- The handshaking process for establishing a connection to an Oracle database server involves sending a string that clearly states it is property of Oracle and protected by copyright law.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Disney Animation has been using a clip from Steamboat Willy (and the song) as their opening bumper for years. It was originally done when John Lassiter took over Disney Animation as an homage to his idol Walt. But some IP lawyers have said that it may also make it impossible to use Steamboat Willy in the public domain because they could claim you're violating their copyright on their bumper. Will be interesting to se…

The copyright will expire no matter what. Using the rubber hose Mickey establishes it as an active trademark. That will make it challenging to sell derivative works but the films themselves will be public domain.

Re: What will enter the public domain in 2024?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to contest, just asking... Brecht died in 1956, so +70 years (as per German law) would be end of 2026, right?

That would depend on the country right? USA doesn't have a life+, so it's a hard date of 1928.

Until they bribe the supremes to revise the ruling.
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