I hope this will contribute to strengthening open source solutions.
VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
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Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#82My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?
proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow. I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with…
> proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close.
Obviously that depends on how you are using the vmware stack. I’ve seen it being used in multiple previous employers in ways that most certainly could have been replaced by something simpler. I realize that’s because they’re not using the stack to its full potential, but that’s exactly my point. For a lot of people vmware is just “what you run vms on” because they were early in the game.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#83You know, I always used to think that e.g. Amazon talking about “customer obsession” was stupid. Of course a business is focused on its customers? That’s where the money comes from? Then I got to see the conversation about subscriptions at VMware. The storyline was always “wouldn’t it be great for us if we switched to subscriptions? Look how good all the math gets!” The customer barely appeared as a background charac…
At most companies it is an uphill battle to advocate on behalf of the customer. It's really important that those values start at the top, and get support at all levels of management. The best story I heard on this was from Zappos and Tony Hsieh. Zappos was famously customer focused (which probably played a big roll in Amazon acquiring them). The story goes that after a night of drinking they had someone call Zappos t…
If they were customer focused they'd focus on cutting their profits to give lower prices to consumers.
Did you hear about the CEO that told institutional investors that the company missed projections, but that they shouldn't worry about it because he'd help them order a pizza?
Me neither, but it shows how absurd this sort of story is if the shoe were on the other foot.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
At most companies it is an uphill battle to advocate on behalf of the customer. It's really important that those values start at the top, and get support at all levels of management. The best story I heard on this was from Zappos and Tony Hsieh. Zappos was famously customer focused (which probably played a big roll in Amazon acquiring them). The story goes that after a night of drinking they had someone call Zappos t…
If they were customer focused they'd focus on cutting their profits to give lower prices to consumers. Did you hear about the CEO that told institutional investors that the company missed projections, but that they shouldn't worry about it because he'd help them order a pizza? Me neither, but it shows how absurd this sort of story is if the shoe were on the other foot.
Disagree. Customer support is not free. Good customer support is not cheap. Whether you agree or not, good CS is one of the Zappos differentiators.
There are outlets for cheap shoes (in this case) without overhead from support and other sources.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#85You know, I always used to think that e.g. Amazon talking about “customer obsession” was stupid. Of course a business is focused on its customers? That’s where the money comes from? Then I got to see the conversation about subscriptions at VMware. The storyline was always “wouldn’t it be great for us if we switched to subscriptions? Look how good all the math gets!” The customer barely appeared as a background charac…
Amazon Prime is a subscription though. It seems Amazon and VMware are in many ways similar in that regard.
Just because the two both use subscriptions doesn’t mean their business models are in any way similar.
JetBrains, for instance, also does subscriptions. They are generally lauded as doing them right. I would never compare JB to Amazon or VMWare just because they both do subscriptions.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#86You know, I always used to think that e.g. Amazon talking about “customer obsession” was stupid. Of course a business is focused on its customers? That’s where the money comes from? Then I got to see the conversation about subscriptions at VMware. The storyline was always “wouldn’t it be great for us if we switched to subscriptions? Look how good all the math gets!” The customer barely appeared as a background charac…
I used to work at a company that talked a lot about "customer obsession", too. However, in reality, the way the company operated reminded me of that scene from The Wolf Of Wall Street: "Fuck the clients. ... Move the money from the client's pocket into your pocket." And it all started at the top.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#87Ah, I see that Broadcom is working on speedrunning the "lose all your customers" game. Not what I would do if I dropped eye watering sums of money to purchase those customers, but you do you, Broadcom.
AVGO is up 93% YTD, 4% on the day, the investors don't seem to be too afraid of the move, for some baffling reason.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#88Ah, I see that Broadcom is working on speedrunning the "lose all your customers" game. Not what I would do if I dropped eye watering sums of money to purchase those customers, but you do you, Broadcom.
AVGO is up 93% YTD, 4% on the day, the investors don't seem to be too afraid of the move, for some baffling reason.
I wouldn't really put too much weight on the wisdom of people speculating on stocks, personally.
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#89My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?
While I am excited to see that quite a decent number of past clients I've had are considering proxmox and other virtualization stacks, I am not confident there will be a fast answer for this new change in the virtualization realm. Large and Enterprise companies won't really be bothered by the change except the price, and unless other platforms include all the "Enterprise Check-boxes" they think they want, I'm not sur…
We would have to see a 2x minimum YoY cost increase just to justify a poliot program to consider moving to something else
Keep in mind it is more than just shifting all of the VM workloads to a new platform something not easy in the first place
But you also have to factor admin training, backup and recovery systems, monitoriting systems, automation tooling, etc.
We have been using vmware since version 3 or 4, our entire team is almost exclusively training on vmware, with limited knowledge on hyperv and virtually none on anything else
Something like ProxMox that has no third party support, no veeam support, limited automation tooling, limited support for commerical monitoring (like PRTG) etc etc is probally a non-starter unless those things support it.
It would cost us far far far far more than 3x licensing increases to git rid vmware. Broadcom knows this.
Honestly VMWare has not been increasing its prices as aggressievly as other vendors anyway, of my software licensing fees I pay annually vmware is one of the cheaper vendors I have, not even breaking into the top 10, I pay more for Veeam, Windows Server, and many many many other things than i do vmware
Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is so hilariously out of touch that I would have believed it was satire without context. This is viral copy-paste quality material.
Sorry, I don't think it is out of touch? I see this kind of thing all the time everywhere.
Even with the corporate speak, I don't think I've ever seen that naked of a response that was essentially "we want more money"
Isn't windows 11 forcing an annual prescription? That will be the real test.