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All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…
All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…
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> but there is no right whatsoever to blockade Gaza's access by sea This by the way is an important fact to bring up when the claim that "Israel left Gaza many years ago and the problem didn't improve". In actuality, they withdrew their occupying army but still kept up a blockade, including a literal cap to the number of calories allowed to enter the country, which I can only interpret as a population control measure…
Israels next door neighbor calls for its total destruction and routinely launches rockets at its cities. In what world would they not blockade them?
Some behaviors are simply unacceptable - and the current blockade has been found to be illegal by the UN time and time again, or at least would have been without US vetos.
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re: 1. the aggression is still happening, Hamas is still launching rockets into Israel, so I'd personally say this is Israel defending itself
They have been firing rockets for decades. They killed 28 people over 20 years with 20k+ rockets[1]. Israel killed 17 000 people in two months. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...
honestly since the iron dome we are kind of "fine" with the occasional rocket (on a personal but also to some extent on a political level)
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
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The IDF actually can avoid the vast majority of civilian casualties - they are the ones choosing to drop a huge number of bombs. They can do their job of defending Israel by actually protecting the border, and go after Hamas in a much slower & more precise way. See this article from Israel for an in-depth examination of IDF tactics: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal...
> They can do their job of defending Israel by actually protecting the border They can't. Hamas launched thousands of rockets on October 7th, and Israel has no way of stopping something like that again short of what they're doing now, a massive bombing campaign and land invasion to take out as much of Hamas' built-up stockpiles and war infrastructure as possible. There is no workable defense here that doesn't require…
The Iron Dome stopped pretty much all the rockets
What didn’t stop Hamas on Oct 7th was Israel not paying attention to their own intelligence and the tips of neighboring countries, as well as an insanely slow response time
If they wanted to, they could definitely only defend themselves
They could also stop the illegal settlers and occupation in the West Bank (instead of using the IDF to support them)
And they could make an actual effort in working towards peace
But instead Israel has pretty much created this situation and has a president openly calling for the extermination of Palestinians (re: Amalek)
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You mean the only news outlet who hasn't lied once since the start of the conflict? Unlike CNN, BBC and others who just believed IDF lies like the beheaded babies thing?
Al Jazeera blatantly lied about the rocket launch that landed on the Al Shifa hospital, putting on pure misinformation to explain why it was not possible for a rocket to have landed there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-g...
I suspect a very large number of people are too smart to speak up, but also resentful of the forces that work to prevent actual nuanced dialogue. That's certainly the sentiment in my bubble. As somebody who isn't fond of the idea of an ethnostate and sees atrocities coming from all of the actors here, I don't feel comfortable speaking up due to the lack of nuance in public forums.
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There are always many ways of reaching your military objectives. For example, you could launch an air strike or an infantry assault. Some are more effective than others. Some cause more collateral damage. And with some, you risk higher casualties.
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The IDF actually can avoid the vast majority of civilian casualties - they are the ones choosing to drop a huge number of bombs. They can do their job of defending Israel by actually protecting the border, and go after Hamas in a much slower & more precise way. See this article from Israel for an in-depth examination of IDF tactics: https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-cal...
Israel can't simply let them launch rockets forever. Iron Dome isn't 100% effective and more importantly there's a massive, orders of magnitude cost differential between attack and defense. Eventually Israel would run out of intercepter rockets (or the ability to afford them), and then Hamas can simply bomb Israel at will.