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Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by bushbaba »

coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

Suspect it'll be the biggest gift to the public cloud providers. Firms who use VMWare rarely want to self-manage their virtualization tech.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by axus »

peeters wrote: post #50
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #43

Ah, I see that Broadcom is working on speedrunning the "lose all your customers" game. Not what I would do if I dropped eye watering sums of money to purchase those customers, but you do you, Broadcom.

This has always been Broadcom's MO. They buy a company, determine which of that company's 150/250/500 customers overlap with their core 500 customers, bundle the acquired product(s) with everything they already sell those customers, and then jack up the price on the entire portfolio. Anybody not on the refined core customer list either gets explicitly cut, or is spun off into a second-tier digital sales program where…

I was periodically buying a software product they acquired, very small volumes. The sales process and support did improve a bit. It was a low bar, though.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by KaiserPro »

thedougd wrote: post #8
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

OpenStack provides a different axis of offering than vCenter. It's more aligned for multi-tenant, API driven use cases, ala cloud. Of course, you could open access to only the virtualization team, but they'd likely find the console experience frustrating. VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. The challenge is that companies architect their…

unless something has changed recently, openstack is a horror to setup and administer.

the point of vmware is that is fairly trivial to go from a single server with some VMs, to a massive cluster with live zero-downtime migrations. (and have funky storage, get working snapshots and backups.)

Sure openstack can do that. but its non trivial to setup.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by I_Am_Nous »

KaiserPro wrote: post #53
thedougd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStack provides a different axis of offering than vCenter. It's more aligned for multi-tenant, API driven use cases, ala cloud. Of course, you could open access to only the virtualization team, but they'd likely find the console experience frustrating. VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. The challenge is that companies architect their…

unless something has changed recently, openstack is a horror to setup and administer. the point of vmware is that is fairly trivial to go from a single server with some VMs, to a massive cluster with live zero-downtime migrations. (and have funky storage, get working snapshots and backups.) Sure openstack can do that. but its non trivial to setup.

We used Openstack for a while, but overall it was a nightmare. I'm sure it's better than it used to be, but it is not simple to spin up or maintain, and it's not designed to baby VMs -- if one acts up they expect you to delete and recreate it, which works OK for microservices but not for huge Windows terminal servers.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by xuhu »

freedomben wrote: post #15

I'm used to corporate marketing speak, but damn this is impresively corporate orwellian. This is real copy/paste from TFA, not some parody that I wrote. > Q: Why is this good for partners? > A: The industry has already widely embraced subscription and SaaS, and many partners in our ecosystem have already developed success practices in this area. Subscription and SaaS models provide an opportunity for partners to enga…

"-- Written in my leased BMW Series 7 with subscription warmed seats. These things don't pay for themselves you know."

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by ThinkBeat »

coldbrewed wrote: post #4

My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

proxmox is presently not an alternative to the VMWare stack. Not even close. Converting from the VMWare stack⭢ proxmox would be a giant shitshow.

I have been a paying user of WMware personally since the beginning and I have worked on their enterprise stack for several years. With the changes being made I cant see myself wanting to spend any personal money on it I and I would not recommend someone to start fresh with it, but for a lot of enterprises, they will, short term, have little choice than to pay the fees.

I have no idea about the state of Microsoft HyperV. The little I have worked with it, and that was quite a few years ago now it seemed severely lacking in the tools department.

Oracle owns VirtualBox, and even if they started to build it out (or have they?) going to Oracle to avoid high fees is not going to be a good idea.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by thedougd »

throw0101c wrote: post #45
thedougd wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStack provides a different axis of offering than vCenter. It's more aligned for multi-tenant, API driven use cases, ala cloud. Of course, you could open access to only the virtualization team, but they'd likely find the console experience frustrating. VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. The challenge is that companies architect their…

> VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. * https://www.vmware.com/ca/topics/glossary/content/openstack-... * https://www.vmware.com/ca/products/openstack.html

It's a pretty good product, IME, especially if you're using it with NSX-T.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Post by LadyCailin »

This “everything is a subscription” thing just cannot be sustainable. I mean, sure, some companies with a huge moat can probably sustain this well enough, but eventually consumers and businesses will simply run out of money, and then can’t buy anything anymore. Not to mention that it means that no one can make investments anymore, and can only piss away money every month. I have no clue how to stop this from happening though either from a regulatory perspective or a free market perspective.
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