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Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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I'm used to corporate marketing speak, but damn this is impresively corporate orwellian. This is real copy/paste from TFA, not some parody that I wrote. > Q: Why is this good for partners? > A: The industry has already widely embraced subscription and SaaS, and many partners in our ecosystem have already developed success practices in this area. Subscription and SaaS models provide an opportunity for partners to enga…

I mean it does look like a shifter of paradigms that businesses are demanding. What's not to like here.

Gotta leverage those competitive advantages to enable holistic synergies, yo.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Free esxi is pretty crippled at this point, esp for high core counts. Proxmox is the way to go!

What about xcp-ng?

I intensely disliked xcp-ng when I tried it a few years back. It's more of a move fast and break things indie type of project. Proxmox feels more stable and trustworthy.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Free esxi is pretty crippled at this point, esp for high core counts. Proxmox is the way to go!

What about Nutanix?

I would not choose it for a greenfield project unless I knew that they had a particular module for more enterprise-grade stuff like doing hardcore/proprietary interconnects.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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OpenStack provides a different axis of offering than vCenter. It's more aligned for multi-tenant, API driven use cases, ala cloud. Of course, you could open access to only the virtualization team, but they'd likely find the console experience frustrating. VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. The challenge is that companies architect their…

Yeah, OpenStack is very much not a great competitor. If you can afford an expert to set it up for you, great! Otherwise, prepare to invest in other ways. I'm not going to say VMware has a super intuitive system, but I've gotten surprisingly far at times without a lot of deep knowledge. Well, until the *nix-like kernel in the hypervisor misbehaves....

If you have any significant workload on vmware you likely already have an expert on payroll.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

I was at the Apache Cloudstack conference just a few weeks ago and it seems most of the integrators are pivoting to moving VMware customers to KVM + CloudStack, and have even upstreamed an auto conversion tool.

https://cloudstack.apache.org/

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

While I am excited to see that quite a decent number of past clients I've had are considering proxmox and other virtualization stacks, I am not confident there will be a fast answer for this new change in the virtualization realm.

Large and Enterprise companies won't really be bothered by the change except the price, and unless other platforms include all the "Enterprise Check-boxes" they think they want, I'm not sure how fast adoption will be if at all for stacks like Proxmox.

I am not defending the business model or the tech offerings of Vmware, Microsoft, etc -- far from it. They're extremely bloated, buggy, and unless you happen to be one of VMware or Microsoft's most expensive customers, the support might as well just be a sin tax. Even for the "biggest" clients, they were not able to get Vmware or Microsoft to budge on some pretty obvious and complete blocker bugs that would drop production environments entirely.

Enterprise is weird -- I would be extremely happy if not a bit exhausted supporting a large OSS virtualization infrastructure for clients, but I just do not see it happening without a lot of "carrots" for such companies from the virtualization vendor. Enterprise business is basically about shifting responsibility and liability for your tech-stack to someone else -- yes, it requires strong tech skills to use these tech-stacks, but the more maintenance/liability that can be shifted to the vendor, the more preferable it is for most companies.

I don't know what the businesses will choose -- I'm hopeful medium and smaller businesses will shift to more open solutions and from this business, the open solutions will be able to grow and become more attractive choices for enterprise, I'm just not sure that such solutions will avoid the tech industry's obsession with subscription licensing and feature bloat to check boxes.

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStack provides a different axis of offering than vCenter. It's more aligned for multi-tenant, API driven use cases, ala cloud. Of course, you could open access to only the virtualization team, but they'd likely find the console experience frustrating. VMware even has an OpenStack product that is built on vSphere virtualization and NSX-T software defined networking. The challenge is that companies architect their…

Yeah, OpenStack is very much not a great competitor. If you can afford an expert to set it up for you, great! Otherwise, prepare to invest in other ways. I'm not going to say VMware has a super intuitive system, but I've gotten surprisingly far at times without a lot of deep knowledge. Well, until the *nix-like kernel in the hypervisor misbehaves....

The setup is not too complicated with something like https://opendev.org/openstack/devstack

Re: VMware transition to subscription, end of sale of perpetual licenses

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My heart goes out to all of the institutions that are about to get hammered by this change, but I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited about a potential increase in investment in open source cloud virtualization infrastructure. Proxmox seems poised to benefit from this; is Openstack in a situation where it could be reasonably rolled out as a substitute for vSphere without requiring significant staff increases?

I was at the Apache Cloudstack conference just a few weeks ago and it seems most of the integrators are pivoting to moving VMware customers to KVM + CloudStack, and have even upstreamed an auto conversion tool. https://cloudstack.apache.org/

People at a cloudstack conference think cloudstack is great and want their customers to use it?

What's next, a survey of people attending the annual dentistry conference shows that they think dental health is important?

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