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Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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Where? In Europe I haven't heard any scams on radio.

In the US, Florida specifically.

While I don't live in the US, my experience with advertising there while visiting Miami was pretty crazy to say the least.

I heard it before when playing GTA Vice City on the in game radio and thought it's just satire, but no, it's actually pretty accurate. "Ask your doctor..."

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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So basically I'm supposed to pay protection money? Yeah, I don't give into extortion...

You can see it as extortion or... Paying for a product instead of being the product. Huge quality of life improvement. How is it different from paying for Netflix and similar?

Does Netflix try to scam you if you don't subscribe to the premium tier?

If it were ads for car insurance and lego, I don't think there would be the same concern.

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I love Youtube and consider it a major contribution to the modern world -- however it would have been "invented" within a few months regardless of who built if first and would have grown regardless of who acquired it. It's important to recall that Youtube grew not because of "you" -- there was really not any kind of creator ecosystem for the first phase of massive growth. Youtube grew because of piracy and the postin…

I wouldn't be so dismissive of Youtube. The youtube recommendation algorithm brings up new and cool content over long period of time, and I cultivated my recommendation feed as such. It's a destination in itself. Sure, you could have a video site that just have a top ten video and a subscription list, but it wouldn't be as compelling. Now. There are a lot of things that youtube could rightfully be criticized for, and…

> The youtube recommendation algorithm brings up new and cool content

For you.

For kids it brings up amputation videos and seriously weird/predatory shit. Should they be cultivating their recommendation feed better?

Try searching for '!' on the homepage. You'll get a mix of kid videos and fucked up animated softcore furry shit. It's been like that for fucking years.

For me it brings up Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson shite constantly, despite my refusal to engage in such content whatsoever. It just figures, hey you like watching video game content so you'll love these smarmy shitheads.

It's vastly inferior to TikTok's algorithm by all accounts, like it's not even close. And it's been horrendously gamed.

All they have is the network effect and Google's monopoly powers. Their algorithm sucks, their ads suck, their policies towards creators suck (as you said yourself). Everything they've ever brought in that was actually good was cribbed from porn sites.

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> What is he supposed to do, create a google account and get premium instead? Yes? I've mostly quit watching YouTube (and really a lot of media) because the shear amount of it and the number of predatory dark patterns have just gotten to be too much for me (it's possible that I'm overly sensitive in some way). But if it's important to him, then maybe it's worth paying some money for the experience. Personally I'm try…

So I should just give up, have a talk about media habits with my parents and if they don't want to change, just hand YouTube the money? You freely admit that it is designed to be this bad and by giving them money actually just rewards their shitty behavior. I gave an example of a video showing how creators on YouTube can select which ads to show. Get-Rich-Quick is a category, YouTube could just take the decision to n…

> So I should just give up

I really do try not to be the perpetual downer here, but Google has nearly unlimited resources including psych PhDs on staff to influence peoples' behavior and I assume executives with black holes where their souls would normally be who are trying to satisfy that void with money, but can never do so.

I guess the best I can say is that it's about picking your battles.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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I love Youtube and consider it a major contribution to the modern world -- however it would have been "invented" within a few months regardless of who built if first and would have grown regardless of who acquired it. It's important to recall that Youtube grew not because of "you" -- there was really not any kind of creator ecosystem for the first phase of massive growth. Youtube grew because of piracy and the postin…

>>Youtube grew because of piracy and the posting/distribution of copyrighted content.

The funny thing is, the second you take a step out of the anglosphere it still hosts an absolute tonne of copyrighted content that no one cares about. Just search for "full film" in Polish and you get lots of full films uploaded as-is and no one is taking them down

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pe%C5%82ny+film

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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I love Youtube and consider it a major contribution to the modern world -- however it would have been "invented" within a few months regardless of who built if first and would have grown regardless of who acquired it. It's important to recall that Youtube grew not because of "you" -- there was really not any kind of creator ecosystem for the first phase of massive growth. Youtube grew because of piracy and the postin…

But they have cats, thus your words fall upon deaf ears.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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So I should just give up, have a talk about media habits with my parents and if they don't want to change, just hand YouTube the money? You freely admit that it is designed to be this bad and by giving them money actually just rewards their shitty behavior. I gave an example of a video showing how creators on YouTube can select which ads to show. Get-Rich-Quick is a category, YouTube could just take the decision to n…

Wanted to point out that “Just take the decision to not carry those ads” isn’t as easy when you’re at YT scale. Not excusing them but I think we all understand the challenges of content moderation at scale for organic content — now amplify that for paid content where the incentives get even thornier. Yes YT should invest more in review and policy work — but it’s a forever expanding cost with no silver bullet. I appre…

In this case, they've already crowdsourced the review labor to their users, who correctly reported the ad!

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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Allowing ads to be harmful bolsters the new protection racket. "It'd be a shame if your parents/grandparents got scammed.. Have you heard of YT Premium?"

There’s precedent: they already run a protection racket on search.

“Gee, it’d sure be a shame if your competitors showed up at the top of a search for your exact company or product. But if you pay us for ads on those keywords…”

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I wouldn't be so dismissive of Youtube. The youtube recommendation algorithm brings up new and cool content over long period of time, and I cultivated my recommendation feed as such. It's a destination in itself. Sure, you could have a video site that just have a top ten video and a subscription list, but it wouldn't be as compelling. Now. There are a lot of things that youtube could rightfully be criticized for, and…

> The youtube recommendation algorithm brings up new and cool content For you. For kids it brings up amputation videos and seriously weird/predatory shit. Should they be cultivating their recommendation feed better? Try searching for '!' on the homepage. You'll get a mix of kid videos and fucked up animated softcore furry shit. It's been like that for fucking years . For me it brings up Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterso…

>> so you'll love these smarmy shitheads.

I've had success with just blocking these channels, or selecting "don't recommend this to me", after a while it stops suggesting right wing content to me, it hasn't for quite a while in fact.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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> (I'm in Canada) The reply was it didn't break any policy. When ads are the primary source of revenue, there's zero incentive to police the platform TL;DR: If you're a major on-line ad distributor like Google/Meta, and broadcast malicious ads to consumers, then you should be liable for them according to local laws just how TV and radio broadcasters are liable for the same thing. Long argument: Sure those ads don't b…

If you're a major on-line ad distributor like Google/Meta, and broadcast malicious ads to consumers... It's actually worse than that. If they were neutrally broadcasting, they'd at least have the argument that they were conceptually just a common carrier providing a neutral conduit between advertisers and consumers. But they are actively selecting which ads to present to which consumers---with respect to scam ads, th…

While I wholeheartedly agree with you, I suspect explaining that to an older judge would be difficult.
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