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Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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I refuse to believe people think those are good deepfakes. The lipsync is so so so bad. So bad.

I saw that Deep fake Elon ad on my phone and on a small screen i didn't notice the small mismatches. Especially in the first 20 seconds it is spot on. I mean i didn't fall for it either, but i totally see how other people could fall for these deep fakes. Obviously, they do, otherwise these scammers wouldn't have the money to run these ads.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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post #92

I love Youtube and consider it a major contribution to the modern world -- however it would have been "invented" within a few months regardless of who built if first and would have grown regardless of who acquired it. It's important to recall that Youtube grew not because of "you" -- there was really not any kind of creator ecosystem for the first phase of massive growth. Youtube grew because of piracy and the postin…

I wouldn't be so dismissive of Youtube.

The youtube recommendation algorithm brings up new and cool content over long period of time, and I cultivated my recommendation feed as such.

It's a destination in itself.

Sure, you could have a video site that just have a top ten video and a subscription list, but it wouldn't be as compelling.

Now. There are a lot of things that youtube could rightfully be criticized for, and perhaps there should be major changes made to how youtube works. Better pay for youtube creators and payment to small channels for example. More promotion of youtube premium, and less advertising.

I assume that youtube is profitable. The question is how much service that they can offer but still remain sustainable. If they're not profitable, how they could monetize it without destroying the value of the platform, ideally adding to the value rather than taking it away. I like some of the youtube scripted show, and I was disappointed that they canceled a show that I want to see continued.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

between the scam ads and their war on adblock it really seems like Google is scraping for every penny they can

Yep, it's a high interest rate phenomenon. Investors want to see profitability. But it's also a problem unique to trillion dollar companies: finding growth. If you have a money printer of $280B per year, how do you find growth that moves the needle? For new product development, you'd need to launch a product that brings in revenue of say $20B, otherwise it's just not that interesting. Imagine how hard it is to launch…

> it's a high interest rate phenomenon

Well, it's more of an interest rate change phenomenon.

All companies are currently overvalued by absurd amounts, but the computer-related ones have it dialed a few dozen notches above "absurd". Things became this way because of the zero interest rate (and the expectation that it was permanent), but it's not sustainable anymore.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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post #92

I love Youtube and consider it a major contribution to the modern world -- however it would have been "invented" within a few months regardless of who built if first and would have grown regardless of who acquired it. It's important to recall that Youtube grew not because of "you" -- there was really not any kind of creator ecosystem for the first phase of massive growth. Youtube grew because of piracy and the postin…

Youtube also found a way to allow content owners to monetize copyrighted content, so if it was pirated and uploaded, there was less incentive to take it down if it could earn some money in ads.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What is he supposed to do, create a google account and get premium instead? I just put my parents on my family plan, you should consider it, it's a very low price for the peace of mind, plus they love not having ads

So basically I'm supposed to pay protection money? Yeah, I don't give into extortion...

You can see it as extortion or...

Paying for a product instead of being the product.

Huge quality of life improvement. How is it different from paying for Netflix and similar?

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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post #106

Twitter actually has some of the best ad oversight, almost entirely by accident too. Community Notes (formerly Birdwatch) lets users flag tweets that are misleading. Since Ads on Twitter are just normal tweets, they can be fact checked. Twitter's average ad quality has plummeted recently, but most of the scam ads I see have a massive user-added disclaimer outlining how it's a scam. I wonder how this affects the click…

> but most of the scam ads I see So it doesn't work. If it worked, you'd see no, or very little, scam ads.

Yes, that's why I said accidentally. Community Notes wasn't intended to be a spam filter for ads. It's not able to get tweets/ads taken down, only place a large disclaimer below any fraudulent advertisements.

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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Twitter actually has some of the best ad oversight, almost entirely by accident too. Community Notes (formerly Birdwatch) lets users flag tweets that are misleading. Since Ads on Twitter are just normal tweets, they can be fact checked. Twitter's average ad quality has plummeted recently, but most of the scam ads I see have a massive user-added disclaimer outlining how it's a scam. I wonder how this affects the click…

I think when an ad is fact-checked and fails that test, it should become hidden. Even better would be to block the advertiser from the network or even seize their ad spent.

Not everyone agrees with every fact-check, even for objectively verifiable facts (which is the minority of all things claimed). Even Mythbusters have done things where I think they clearly reached the wrong conclusion. Having large consequences attached to the result of a fact check sounds like a recipe to alienate everyone.

If you say something obviously untrue there are already laws against fraud and false advertisement. For anything with less burden of proof, a note below your ad that adds context seems adequate

Re: YouTube doesn't want to take down scam ads

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Twitter actually has some of the best ad oversight, almost entirely by accident too. Community Notes (formerly Birdwatch) lets users flag tweets that are misleading. Since Ads on Twitter are just normal tweets, they can be fact checked. Twitter's average ad quality has plummeted recently, but most of the scam ads I see have a massive user-added disclaimer outlining how it's a scam. I wonder how this affects the click…

I think when an ad is fact-checked and fails that test, it should become hidden. Even better would be to block the advertiser from the network or even seize their ad spent.

I think it's a great idea, for obvious reasons it will never be implemented.
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