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Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by alex_smart »

kelnos wrote: post #43

Sigh. Why is it that people seem to think that the only alternative to one bad thing on a continuum is a bad thing at the opposite end of the continuum. There's a lot of room between "obsessively read everything" and "you didn't know about the tornado warning until your house blew over". I get that it's hard to find the best spot on the continuum. And that best spot is probably not the same for everyone. It's interes…

>It's interesting that this article was written 10 years ago.

Oh, you will definitely enjoy this quote! Try to guess when it was written. (Warning: there is a spoiler in the replies.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38610428

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

I like to read news after some "cool down" time.

In the case of Israel vs Hamas I did not pay much attention to the event initially. It https that I have no special interest in any of the actors.

After a few days I had a better view and I build dig into the history of the conflict and end up with something more substantial that hysteric and contradictory information.

I am French and our minister of interior has had his proposal of law rejected. Looks like this is something serious but I will wait a few days to look more closely once the dust settles.

Following the news is extremely stressful and outside of effects that directly touch you, I am for the wait and see approach. The last event that required an immediate followup, as far as i remember, was the beginning of COVID when regulations applicable overnight were coming daily.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

jruohonen wrote: post #2

"The problem is, the news doesn’t make us informed -- quite the opposite. The more news we consume, the more misinformed we become." "News is, by definition, something that doesn’t last." Couldn't disagree more. As a counterargument, consider, for instance, the question of how it would be possible to write history without a connection to news (and other things) stored to archives? But this I can agree with: "Like oth…

Honestly reports, accounting, personal journals and books shoukd be more interesting to historians than the cover of times mag.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by sotix »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #53
jruohonen wrote: post #2

"The problem is, the news doesn’t make us informed -- quite the opposite. The more news we consume, the more misinformed we become." "News is, by definition, something that doesn’t last." Couldn't disagree more. As a counterargument, consider, for instance, the question of how it would be possible to write history without a connection to news (and other things) stored to archives? But this I can agree with: "Like oth…

Honestly reports, accounting, personal journals and books shoukd be more interesting to historians than the cover of times mag.

Some of the greatest historians that cover Apple’s history are Walter Isaacson, KPMG, and EY.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by singlepaynews »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #32
singlepaynews wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Couldn't disagree more. As a counterargument, consider, for instance, the question of how it would be possible to write history without a connection to news (and other things) stored to archives?" I agree, to state simply: news becomes history So, my understanding of history is: integral(news) dt + history_reading I'd argue that watching the (news) dt occur also helps me to evaluate the quality/accuracy of the histo…

Hopefully historians rely on more than the various rags throughout time!

Agreed, unavoidably the various rags are a subset though?

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by singlepaynews »

YZF wrote: post #9
singlepaynews wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Couldn't disagree more. As a counterargument, consider, for instance, the question of how it would be possible to write history without a connection to news (and other things) stored to archives?" I agree, to state simply: news becomes history So, my understanding of history is: integral(news) dt + history_reading I'd argue that watching the (news) dt occur also helps me to evaluate the quality/accuracy of the histo…

News become part of history but I don't think history is the integral of old news. To think about things maybe dear to us, the history of Apple, Steve Jobs, Amiga, Atari, is very different than the integral of news about those. It is more influenced by people's stories that were never "news". I'm not sure any news about these really constitute a major part of what we'd call the history there. https://en.wikipedia.org…

> A lot of news is just PR.

It seems like the distinction between PR and news as content is clear though, and their conflation is from being published together

> News become part of history but I don't think history is the integral of old news.

Certainly not; so my mental model can be amended: History ~= integration(old news + X)dt

And my question then is what to use as X?

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by singlepaynews »

aspenmayer wrote: post #22
singlepaynews wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm lost; how does big brother play in? > " think, is that we cannot reliably reflect/contextualize about today's news/events until it becomes history, i.e. reliability" This is exactly my point so far:: the best approximation I have for contextualizing today's news is by examining the diff of today's history and yesterday's news. I'm not confident in my grammar; let me make a graphic: ...............................…

Here’s a recent example of extraterritorial gag orders targeting news outlets, which would necessarily impinge our ability to read between the lies/lines: https://www.404media.co/reuters-takes-down-blockbuster-hacke... I’m “posting too fast” or I’d submit it to HN myself - feel free to do so, dear reader, as it belongs on HN. > “Reuters has temporarily removed the article ‘How an Indian startup hacked the world’ to c…

I see your point; can't the reporting of the gag order itself can also be included in the 'news' training set?

I keep coming back to an infinite necessity of news/reporting; definitely read more than just news, but nothing in this thread has pointed me to "stop reading news", as the title directs.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by aspenmayer »

singlepaynews wrote: post #58
aspenmayer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here’s a recent example of extraterritorial gag orders targeting news outlets, which would necessarily impinge our ability to read between the lies/lines: https://www.404media.co/reuters-takes-down-blockbuster-hacke... I’m “posting too fast” or I’d submit it to HN myself - feel free to do so, dear reader, as it belongs on HN. > “Reuters has temporarily removed the article ‘How an Indian startup hacked the world’ to c…

I see your point; can't the reporting of the gag order itself can also be included in the 'news' training set? I keep coming back to an infinite necessity of news/reporting; definitely read more than just news, but nothing in this thread has pointed me to "stop reading news", as the title directs.

I agree, I don’t agree with the thesis of the OP either

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Post by dr_bash »

jtorsella wrote: post #40
dr_bash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude that is pretty dismissive. Your not even trying to validate their claims, just shut it down. Everyone knows there is problems with the media, particularly with attention seeking (read click bait), and bias (read telling you what you want to hear). The news is a contributing factor in the current political climate, it is mostly unhealthy. Why is it unfounded?

Oh you’re right - sorry, I forgot that everyone knows that the key ideas of the article are correct so they don’t require any evidence. To drop the sarcastic frame - the article either argues something that could be incorrect or it makes a meaningless argument. If it’s arguing something that could be otherwise then it needs to give evidence for the things it’s saying. It doesn’t and treats everything it’s saying as c…

I see you edited your comment.

the article is an opinion, like your earlier comment, there is no need to cite anything or be to pedantic.

As a native English speaker try to simplify the wording on your arguments a bit. They are somwhat highfalutin and a little convoluted. Your message is fairly simple, no reason to add extra complexity… best case you confuse some esl people, worst case you seem like hot air.

“The finest language is mostly made up of simple unimposing words” - George Eliot.

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