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Stop Reading News (2013)

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Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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If you don't mind being unable to engage with your peers on anything except historical matters. If you don't e.g. mind being unaware of the local situation, which goes to preparedness. -By all means don't read news outside of tornado season, and don't mind being caught up in current affairs with no situational awareness. If you don't mind abrogating decision making to others, where you have some locus of control. If…

I don't actively follow the news, as I found it had a negative impact on my mental well-being. However, this doesn't mean I'm uninformed. I still stay updated through conversations with family, friends, and colleagues. This approach might've even improved my listening skills and relationships. Without being bombarded by every viewpoint on issues that often have little relevance to our daily lives, I avoid falling into the trap of lecturing or debating based on half-informed opinions.

We are figuratively being bombarded with information nowadays. It's not good. And almost all of the news we consume doesn't significantly affect our personal lives. And it's all like propaganda, even if it wasn't the intention.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#42
Nassim Taleb, in his incerto, makes the argument that:

- Most news is actually entertainment disguised as information.

- You can't act on the vast majority of news.

- Most medias, including specialized ones, can give a very good appearance of competence while actually knowing nothing of the actual situation.

- Medias, of course, have agendas and allegiances.

- You don't have neither the skill nor the resources to verify what they tell you. And dig a little once, you usually find out how alarmingly distorted the story is, suggesting you should do it thoroughly every single time.

- The volume of news, and noise vs signal ratio, is increasingly playing against you.

- It's fine to not have an opinion on most things. You opinion is worth zilch on most topics anyway and your decisions suck.

- It's exhausting and bad for your health and happiness.

He still reads some news, but consider it a way to entertain himself rather than being informed.

Tim Ferris has a similar view, and get most of its news from conversation with others, assuming that if they are in the mind of people, the filter of consequences on his life has already been applied.

n = 1, but I've seen my father has been watching an analyzing the news every single day for all my life. Thousands of hours of consumption, reactions, debates, bad moods and judgement.

I never saw him ONCE make a daily decision based on the news that made his life better.

Personally, I've found most medias content to be very low quality, and the propaganda everywhere. The time and energy it takes to untangle all that is not worth it.

I find way more interesting the reports of individuals with skin in the game. That's one of the reason I'm on HN.

And still, I know that even HN is most of the time, entertainment for me.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#43
Sigh. Why is it that people seem to think that the only alternative to one bad thing on a continuum is a bad thing at the opposite end of the continuum.

There's a lot of room between "obsessively read everything" and "you didn't know about the tornado warning until your house blew over".

I get that it's hard to find the best spot on the continuum. And that best spot is probably not the same for everyone.

It's interesting that this article was written 10 years ago. Social media was already not great even by then, but it was nowhere near as polarizing and engagement-centric as it is now. Subscription models for online newspapers weren't quite as pervasive as they are now.

So I don't know... honestly I couldn't make it all that far through this article. It was so filled with absolutes, no nuance, no acknowledgement that there are choices between everything and nothing. Exhausting.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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Nassim Taleb, in his incerto, makes the argument that: - Most news is actually entertainment disguised as information. - You can't act on the vast majority of news. - Most medias, including specialized ones, can give a very good appearance of competence while actually knowing nothing of the actual situation. - Medias, of course, have agendas and allegiances. - You don't have neither the skill nor the resources to ver…

I think the biggest point here is that the news will very rarely help you make better decisions in your own life.

And that's true. Following the wars in Ukraine or Israel/Gaza isn't going to change anything about my life for the better, even if I feel bad saying out loud that maybe I just shouldn't read about it -- that makes it sound like I don't care. Reading about the antics of Trump or Biden or Schumer or Johnson or Jeffries or McConnell isn't going to change what I do day by day, at least not for the better. Getting angry at Ken Paxton or the Texas Supreme Court for their utter disregard for human life brings me down, not up, and there's nothing I can do about that situation anyway.

An argument I can think of for keeping informed about that sort of thing is that it's one of the factors I might put into the next time election day comes up. If a particular candidate had a good response or bad response to these things, it might help me decide who to vote for. But the thing is, I don't need to follow these events in real time to get that help. I can wait until a month or two before the election, and start reading things, nicely summarized, about the candidates' positions, reactions, voting record, etc. on these topics. And I'll spend a lot less time doing it, too.

(Let's ignore for a minute whether or not voting is a productive activity; I'm going to vote because I feel like I have a responsibility to do so, regardless of its efficacy.)

And here I'm just talking about political news. There's so much other news, and I can't see how much of that could be any more useful to my day-to-day.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#46
Stopped watching the news May of 2020 .. all that Covid we know what we're doing listen to us ..like we need thousands of ventilators. Turns out that was a very bad idea and if you were smart then you'd realize we were learning as we went.

Further political media is a joke and personally if you watch either side of that junk you like to be spoonfed junk vs. think for yourself.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#47
post #36

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That's awesome! I'll be consuming this from now on, combined with newsminimalist.com . Should cover 99% of what I want to know. Can you add RSS feed to pastevents.org? That would be even better!

I've thought about adding RSS for a while, but have not yet settled on how this would interact with the filtering and sorting functions. I believe a feed would be especially useful if it could be constrained to events matching specific keywords.

Agreed, maybe something like https://pastevents.org/rss/keyword ?

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#48

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I'm lost; how does big brother play in? > " think, is that we cannot reliably reflect/contextualize about today's news/events until it becomes history, i.e. reliability" This is exactly my point so far:: the best approximation I have for contextualizing today's news is by examining the diff of today's history and yesterday's news. I'm not confident in my grammar; let me make a graphic: ...............................…

Here’s a recent example of extraterritorial gag orders targeting news outlets, which would necessarily impinge our ability to read between the lies/lines: https://www.404media.co/reuters-takes-down-blockbuster-hacke... I’m “posting too fast” or I’d submit it to HN myself - feel free to do so, dear reader, as it belongs on HN. > “Reuters has temporarily removed the article ‘How an Indian startup hacked the world’ to c…

It’s already added as of a few days ago; Algolia seems to have been down around the same time HN was down - last few hours have been spotty but seems back up now.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#49
post #28

Here is my favorite quote of all time and not just because I agree wholeheartedly. Try to guess who the quote is from and fron when. > Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the…

That text (I have no idea who it comes from) could have been written by a conspiracy theorist. "Nobody knows anything, it's all a bunch of lies" sounds chic in a rebellious kind of way, until you consider where that belief ultimately leads.

>I have no idea who it comes from

It was written by Thomas Jefferson.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#50
post #35

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99.99% people who read news don’t read it critically, so their “decisions” are completely at the mercy of what the very impressive propaganda machinery that we call news. Any control people feel they have by making opinions based on reading news is an illusion.

I think the answer is reading more varied sources of news, not less. But for sanity's sake, reading less might be good.

Nope. Being able to see through the countless subtle ways the news manipulate and misleads you and to gain any meaningful insight requires so much effort and critical thinking that it is simply not practical for vast majority of people.

I firmly stand by my opinion that "Stop reading news" is the best advice that can be given to most people interested in being better informed about the world.

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