I think the PC model is the best. You can install whatever you want from wherever you want. You have countless hardware and manufacturers to choose from. You can repair it.
I think smartphones should be more like PCs.
Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
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Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#662Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Monopolies aren’t illegal. Only the abuse of a monopoly position to advance your interest in other markets is illegal. So for example, if you had a dominant market position for a particular category of phone operating systems, and you wanted to advance your interest in the market for app distribution...
Seems like you could make that apply to any product right? If you can define the market as literally just your own product? Like if Joe's Coffee has a dominant market position in selling Joe's Coffee it would be monopolistic to use that to advantage to sell donuts?
There is a difference between selling donuts in the coffee shop and preventing anyone who drinks your coffee from buying a competitor's donuts.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#663Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like you could make that apply to any product right? If you can define the market as literally just your own product? Like if Joe's Coffee has a dominant market position in selling Joe's Coffee it would be monopolistic to use that to advantage to sell donuts?
There is a difference between selling donuts in the coffee shop and preventing anyone who drinks your coffee from buying a competitor's donuts.
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#664Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple doesn't need to strike secret deals to keep out alternative app stores because they've made alternate app stores completely impossible. If the result of this case is "you can have a monopoly as long as your device and ecosystem are 100% locked down", that's terrible!
> If the result of this case is "you can have a monopoly as long as your device and ecosystem are 100% locked down", that's terrible! Monopolies aren’t illegal. Only the abuse of a monopoly position to advance your interest in other markets is illegal. E.g. It’s not illegal to be the only seller of gasoline in the country. It is illegal though to bundle laundry powder with gasoline sales to corner the laundry powder…
There has been several prominent cases where Apple removed some app from the store just to bring out an app in the same space. Also Apple products don't have the same restrictions as others when in comes to ads, api etc. To me that sounds quite clearly like like they are abusing their monopoly position.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#665Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It’s interesting how the judges in Apple vs Epic stayed with Big Tech My thought is that the judges are likely staying with the "letter of the law" which is what Big Tech (Big anything really) hires all of their lawyers to make sure that they technically stay within, while flagrantly violating the spirit of the law in a way that helps the business model. The Jury is more prone to look at the spirit of the law.
I agree. Why would a judge be afraid of Apple or Google? They don’t give a shit. Neither company is going to hire hitmen. The judges are following previous rulings and trying to apply them to what are likely novel situations that the law was never intended to cover because it no one foresaw it. The courts are not how you fix this. The legislature is. Unfortunately that’s too broken to do anything.
>I agree. Why would a judge be afraid of Apple or Google? They don’t give a shit. Neither company is going to hire hitmen.
Since it's legal in US to buy political influence (lobby) and since judges and prosecutors are politically appointed and since the said corporations have very large pockets...
To add on that media and public opinion also impacts your career as a justice and money can swing both media and public opinion.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#666I dislike Android because of Google. I dislike IPhone because it's too expensive and too closed and locked. What choice do I still have if I want to also run some of the most popular apps?
You can choose either one, or any other phone operating system. Nobody's obligated to make a popular phone operating system that satisfies all your desires.
I didn't say anyone is obligated to make an open popular phone OS. I just asked what is my option if I dislike lockins and tracking.
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It's just look a lot more like a standardized PC. Which they they probably should by this point.
You’re right. I can’t wait until I can’t play games on my PlayStation because I forgot to install audio driver update 2.367 which conflicts with rendering update 7.829. That will be a much better experience for me as a consumer. There is no need to open up consoles. You don’t have to buy them. The PC is incredibly healthy as a gaming platform. Please let people like me who want to gaming appliance have it without scr…
Opening up a platform doesn't mean that it suddenly has to be cross-compatible with everything else. It just means that software that is written for your platform is no longer under full control of the manufacturer. Why wouldn't you want things like accessible emulators, some control over the OS, more games in general (since developers no longer have to invest thousands into licensing and proprietary software) and much more?
Besides, even if someone somehow forced, say, PlayStation to be cross-compatible with other platforms for some reason - it's not like the issues you described are exactly plaguing PCs nowadays. With very rare exceptions (like ancient or heavily modded games), the experience is pretty much "Press 'Play' on your launcher of choice -> Play game".
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#668Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple doesn't need to strike secret deals to keep out alternative app stores because they've made alternate app stores completely impossible. If the result of this case is "you can have a monopoly as long as your device and ecosystem are 100% locked down", that's terrible!
> If the result of this case is "you can have a monopoly as long as your device and ecosystem are 100% locked down", that's terrible! Monopolies aren’t illegal. Only the abuse of a monopoly position to advance your interest in other markets is illegal. E.g. It’s not illegal to be the only seller of gasoline in the country. It is illegal though to bundle laundry powder with gasoline sales to corner the laundry powder…
That doesn't make the premise any less ridiculous; it's only illegal to pressure people not to make a competitor, if you make it technically impossible to have a competitor, that's all fine.
Being charitable, these are two different juries. It's a little annoying that, in a country where iOS is the dominant OS, the iOS monopolist is exonerated and the non-iOS monopolist is recognized- nonetheless this is still a big win for consumer rights.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#669Couple of thoughts for HN as a lawyer: 1. The fact that Google lost here doesn't bind or affect apple. Jury verdicts aren't binding on any party other than those in the lawsuit. Apple may or may not be found to violate the law in a separate case. 2. Interesting no one has mentioned Epic's Chinese ownership. I could see Google complaining to us govt that it's unfair for Chinese tech to win these court cases against US…
>I could see Google complaining to us govt that it's unfair for Chinese tech to win these court cases against US tech.
And I can see China retaliating if US takes measures against them.
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#670Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like you could make that apply to any product right? If you can define the market as literally just your own product? Like if Joe's Coffee has a dominant market position in selling Joe's Coffee it would be monopolistic to use that to advantage to sell donuts?
There is a difference between selling donuts in the coffee shop and preventing anyone who drinks your coffee from buying a competitor's donuts.
And, to extend the analogy, paying the coffee patrons you think might consider opening a competitive donut shop next door to avoid that from happening (ie Google).