It is guaranteed to get appealed. This case will drag on for a few more years before we see a resolution.
Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
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Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#302It will be extremely interesting to see how this shapes android going forward. Google didn’t just lose some point— they lost every point > The jury unanimously answered yes to every question put before them — that Google has monopoly power in the Android app distribution markets and in-app billing services markets, that Google did anticompetitive things in those markets, and that Epic was injured by that behavior. Th…
How is this not all true for Apple and its app store?
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When someone comes to your store and says "I'll wreck your store unless you cut me 30% of your revenue" that's the mafia. That's exactly what Apple does. If you make a mobile app (for example, a presentation manager) you _have_ to support iOS, or you will go out of business. As a developer, you simply don't have a choice. You have to either support iOS, or get out of mobile apps entirely.
> You have to either support iOS, or get out of mobile apps entirely. What? That’s not true. There are plenty of Android-only developers.
Any example of a major Android-only app for the US?
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but in a weird way: Apple doesn't allow competition for phone manufacturing for their ecosystem, so the equivalent of "deals with manufacturers" are entirely internal. Fostering a phone ecosystem that overall has more competition has hurt Google here.
No, paying off phone manufacturers and companies to not create or preinstall third party app stores on to devices is what hurt Google here
I think you mean "and", not "no". The semi-open ecosystem is a prerequisite to the payoffs.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, apple’s position as both phone manufacturer, iOS manufacturer, and App Store maintainer resulted in them being able to successfully argue that their control over the App Store was a feature that was expected by users and was needed to maintain a smooth and secure operating ecosystem Google, on the other hand, just got pilloried because they are not the phone manufacturer (for the most post), but instea…
if you zoom out you find that Google got published for allowing other manufacturers into their Android system while Apple benefited from keeping ios closed to themselves. how does this serve the consumers ultimately
Google got punished for paying off companies to not compete with the Google Play Store.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#306I fail to understand how HN and the court system do not think the same against Apple
Because apple is not even considered here. They are more closed I guess. Android shopport open source and Linux based also maybe the case.
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Hope it doesn't happen to Apple as I like and prefer that I can only buy stuff and most importantly have a single place to cancel all my subscriptions without dark patterns like having to talk to a person to cancel. I'll again make my argument that the developers should respect the choice of the users. If the user chose iOS maybe they chose it because they wanted the curated experience and the locked it product. I ce…
I'm curious, do you have an Amazon subscription or any of the dozens of other major subscriptions that didn't go the AppStore route because of Apple' policies ? I'm not sure at any point I experienced a "cancel all my subscriptions" in a single place, even as I was neck deep in the Apple ecosystem.
Just yesterday I stopped a handful of subscriptions all at once and it was excellent that there was a third party disinterested in trying to retain my business giving me a nice list of everything and a button to stop them. If I can subscribe through Apple Pay for anything, I will. It would be great if a bank had a workflow as nice as that.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#308I wonder what the remedies will be -- sideloading is already allowed, so allowing third party in-app billing? That seems to be the actual thing the juries said -- that Google used their dominant position to do anticompetitive things, among which is taking their 30% cut on everything. Hope that this happens to Apple eventually too.
> Hope that this happens to Apple eventually too.
It's a somewhat different situation with Apple.
You can't buy iOS on a non-Apple phone; and a quick Google search has the iPhone at about 22% of the market.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#309I fail to understand how HN and the court system do not think the same against Apple
HN does generally feel the same about Apple. 30% cut is egregious especially when they give favors to certain app owners.
“Court System” is very contextual: the Texas Supreme Court just blocked a woman getting an abortion for a non-viable pregnancy.
Re: Epic vs. Google: Google Loses
#310It will be extremely interesting to see how this shapes android going forward. Google didn’t just lose some point— they lost every point > The jury unanimously answered yes to every question put before them — that Google has monopoly power in the Android app distribution markets and in-app billing services markets, that Google did anticompetitive things in those markets, and that Epic was injured by that behavior. Th…
And the fact Epic lost so handily against Apple for the same thing is pretty chilling for the future of open devices. Lock down your platform tight as a drum and you may employ all manners of anticompetitive practices because you legally forbid the existence of competitors and you're "curating your experience" but open yourself up to any competition and your behavior becomes anticompetitive.
The message I got is that everything is corrupt. I hope Google execs and shareholders also got that message.
Now finally some big guys are getting a sense of the issue with centralization. There can only be one government-ordained winner and it's not the one who plays fair and square who wins. It's usually the biggest political manipulator.
Google is in a weak position now due to the perceived risk of AI disrupting its business. When you show any weakness at all, the law starts working against you in the most blatant ways and it becomes self-fulfilling.