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Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #874
js2 wrote: post #471

> Messages will be sent and received via your email address rather than phone number. [...] Even worse, when iPhone customers added an Android phone number to an existing iMessage secure encrypted group chat, the Messages app would by default switch the entire group chat to using unencrypted, unsecure SMS. These two Messages features combine to create a terrible UX. When someone starts a group chat in Messages and in…

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You hear that incels? Getting a second date is as easy as switching to iPhone!

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Post by venusenvy47 »

snowe2010 wrote: post #832
Ajedi32 wrote: post #586

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I'd argue that's not the right framing of the issue. Taking active steps to prevent your services from being used on competing platforms is more than merely "not supporting" them.

it would be incredibly easy for apple to frame this as a security issue, because, even in my mind, it is. I pay for apple devices because I trust apple with my data. I do not trust most companies with my data. I trust my data to only flow through Apple's servers, and to get a clear indication when my data is _not_ flowing through apple's servers (e.g. green bubbles). A company bypassing this causing messages to show…

I think this pypush method uses Apple servers. I think the key aspect was the author figuring out how submit public keys and request public keys for other Apple users from Apple servers. From that point it seems to be as secure as public key cryptography.

https://jjtech.dev/reverse-engineering/imessage-explained/

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by hayleox »

graphe wrote: post #497
LordKeren wrote: post #26

I think one of the underlying issues is that many are now going to be hesitant to even bother with Beeper Mini anymore. I don’t think there is going to be a high tolerance for this game of cat and mouse from the end user perspective I also don’t think goading apple is going to do much here either. Regardless of the current feelings around apple’s walled garden, they are not going to suddenly keel over and give up on…

iMessage is reliable, ‘free’ and encrypted. Beeper mini is unreliable, paid, and encrypted. I wouldn’t recommend it anymore to my Android friends.

Read the post; they've made it free now. They said they'll consider charging again if/when things stabilize.

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Post by venusenvy47 »

dr-smooth wrote: post #493
Jtsummers wrote: post #275

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It's really not an American issue. It's an immature people issue. I've yet to meet anyone who actually cares about whether their messages show up as blue or green when they send them. My social network (in the US) is about 50/50 for Android and iPhone users, and we have a variety of group threads that have both types of phones in them. The only people that care are: - Maybe some children - Some immature adults - A lo…

Android user here who is a member of a group that is all iphone. Those users don't care about the color of the bubble. What thy care about is that if I am in the group, they lose functionality that they are accustomed to. The big ones that I hear about are adding/removing users and high quality media sharing. Not to mention the janky handling of message reactions that seem to always suck for one side or the other. Th…

This is the same with my wife. She didn't care about what phones anyone had, she just found that her group chats with iPhone friends (when she had Android) were janky, as you describe. She doesn't care about apps or phones, but we got her an iPhone because she wants her chats to work well.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

riscy wrote: post #888
Der_Einzige wrote: post #874

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Even if this bizarre claim were true, that wouldn’t make them “incels”, as they voluntarily chose to use Android. Desperate men blaming everyone and everything for their own dating shortcomings is nothing new.

No, android is far cheaper. Mostly they are using androids for socioeconomic reasons.

I cited my sources. You claiming it’s bizarre is itself bizarre. Seems that you can’t handle the truth.

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Post by venusenvy47 »

quantumsequoia wrote: post #766
oefrha wrote: post #15

> Android and iPhone customers desperately want to be able to chat together with high quality images/video, encryption, emojis, typing status, read receipts, and all modern chat features. There are numerous chat apps with those features, so I can’t see why people were “desperate” about it at all. Better yet, those existing chat apps aren’t likely to stop working tomorrow.

None of the existing chat apps have established themselves as viable alternatives Meta has trashed their privacy image so FB Messenger/WhatsApp non-starters for lots of Americans. Signal, telegram don't have enough PR, 90% of Americans have never heard of them. Kik was popular but died due to their financial trouble. Discord/Groupme have found success by marketing themselves towards particular niches, but people don'…

I'm curious why privacy issues of WhatsApp and Facebook are only a concern for Americans. Does the rest of the world know that WhatsApp has been owned by Facebook for 10 years?

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Post by tehwebguy »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #895
riscy wrote: post #888

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if this bizarre claim were true, that wouldn’t make them “incels”, as they voluntarily chose to use Android. Desperate men blaming everyone and everything for their own dating shortcomings is nothing new.

No, android is far cheaper. Mostly they are using androids for socioeconomic reasons. I cited my sources. You claiming it’s bizarre is itself bizarre. Seems that you can’t handle the truth.

Come on there has been a free iPhone model offer from one carrier or another most of the time since iPhones came out.

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Post by locusofself »

iMessage is possibly the most effective vendor lock-in I've ever personally experienced. I resent it, but I don't have time to fight it. Maybe 1 of the 20 people I regularly text with use Android. The amount of video/photo sharing my wife and other family members have done throughout the years is via iMessage is downright incredible.

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Post by shados »

JohnFen wrote: post #857
shados wrote: post #759

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> What’s the point in degrading the UX without telling the user 1) why the UX is degraded, 2) what they can do about it? I Because 1) everyone in the Apple world knows, and 2) they want the answer to "What can be done about it" to be "Shame your peers into switching to an iPhone". And it works. A little too well, especially with younger folks.

I have never once felt any shame for using Android, nor have I felt any pressure to switch to Apple. If anyone in my social circle tried that sort of nonsense, I'd never stop ridiculing them about it. But I'm also the opposite of a younger folk.

Yeah, I don't have issues either. But in the US, in gen z and younger social circles, the "green bubble stigma" is a very real thing.
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