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Post by Nextgrid »

ethanbond wrote: post #193
Laaas wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What grounds would Apple have for suing?

"No reverse engineering" is a pretty standard TOS item.

Has any of this ever been tested in court though? Also, the whole thing can be (and very well may have been) implemented using a "clean-room" process, where the Beeper app developers were never exposed to proprietary Apple code, instead working off the pypush PoC's code.

I think Beeper is intentionally aiming for (heavily publicized) litigation to set a precedent.

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Post by bentt »

The whole green bubble thing with Android SMS on iPhone is a problem, but the solution is to get everyone to use a different chat app. Apple will never give this up.

Google could be leading that charge and providing a world beating chat app that works across all phones and all desktop devices. They have every reason to provide the best chat app in the world and yank iPhone users over to it. Instead they have given up on chat. The Google Hangouts/Meet chat situation is a disaster on iPhone and on desktop. They don't even try. It's proof that they are lost.

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Post by Jtsummers »

theshrike79 wrote: post #76
SpaceManNabs wrote: post #53

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> iPhone customers desperately want to be able to chat together is also laughably false lol. iPhone users just want android users to get an iphone.

...in the US. The rest of the world uses Telegram, WhatsApp and Signal. This blue/green bubble SMS but not SMS -thing is a 100% an American issue.

It's really not an American issue. It's an immature people issue. I've yet to meet anyone who actually cares about whether their messages show up as blue or green when they send them. My social network (in the US) is about 50/50 for Android and iPhone users, and we have a variety of group threads that have both types of phones in them.

The only people that care are:

- Maybe some children

- Some immature adults

- A lot of people who have never used an iPhone and don't even know what the blue/green bubble is but whine about it anyways.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

gruez wrote: post #237
ankit219 wrote: post #222

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I think they ignored a rarely talked about but important aspect. iMessage is free for Apple users because it comes bundled with all Apple products. The cost to run iMessage and deliver millions of messages daily must be a significant number. With beeper, they are enabling the functionality for android. That is every android user signed up with beeper will end up costing Apple some money to send messages to iphone (or…

I'm sure most android users would be happy if iMessage-on-Android was included as part of the $0.99/month icloud subscription.

I would imagine a significant number of people would be willing to spend $5-$10/mo to be able to use iMessage + FaceTime as native Android/Windows apps (you can already FaceTime with non-Apple users via a link [0])

[0]: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212619

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Post by graphe »

mmanfrin wrote: post #244
lacker wrote: post #148

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The best case outcome is to get publicity leading to US and EU antitrust regulators to file a lawsuit against Apple, both of which Apple loses. The conclusion of this lawsuit is that not only must Apple allow access to iMessage, they also must allow changing the default for every component of iOS - messaging app, browser, app store, let you replace Siri with other voice assistants - and to lower the 30% app store fee…

Ironically, if Google were ever allowed to replace siri on iPhones, I would probably never buy an android again.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-chatgpt-as-a-siri-s...

https://www.howtogeek.com/713498/how-to-launch-google-assist...

I remember doing something like this a while ago.

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Post by globular-toast »

kernal wrote: post #166

Why are Apple users so upset about this? It's almost as if they don't want interoperability with Android users. And please spare me the spam excuse.

I'm going to go with a combination of Stockholm syndrome, crabs in a bucket and snobbery. Apple users like to think they're in a special little club.

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Post by exabrial »

Apple is writing their own death sentence here. Beeper Mini's case will definitely be used against them when their anti-monopoly case inevitably comes about:

1. Forcing a monopoly when they force-migrated their users to iMessage

2. Maintaining said monopoly by keeping third parties out

Best thing they could do is put third party clients into a MFI like program and loads of red tape.

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