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Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by ykonstant »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #255
rusk wrote: post #246

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Also not legal in Europe where you absolutely are responsible for the actions of your processors

> Section 8.6 GDPR > Part b. omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. That's a hard disclaimer if there's any. I read that as: if you're a European user, we do not believe you can legally enforce us to honor your rights, even though we operate within the EEA.

This is very disappointing, and automatically dismisses omg.lol as an option for me as a researcher and educator.

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by ykonstant »

onion2k wrote: post #239
jim-jim-jim wrote: post #154

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That's the shortcoming of every alternative protocol and "indie web" community I've come across. They only attract existing techies and have a weird sheen of forced kindness about them. If you're just chatting with other programmers under American HR communication standards, then how is it any different to work? The true magic of the early web was somebody genius but decidedly untechnical like David Bowie shitposting…

guess who the early colonizers of these alt platforms are The early web was mostly nerds, but not just tech nerds. I made my first site in 1997 and I linked to all sorts of things about TV shows, music and games that had been made by fans of things. If someone loved the X-Files and wanted to contribute to a site about it the only option was to get a book about HTML from the library and learn to use FTP. It thrived be…

My first experience with "social media" was in the late 90s with a website dedicated to the Wheel of Time, www.wota.com. We had enormous fun in the forums and web chat, and I loved the design and flow. It was mostly hacked together in Perl. Rand Al'Thor, if you are reading this, where are youuu? It's me, TrueSource! ＼(≧▽≦)／

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by rusk »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #255
rusk wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also not legal in Europe where you absolutely are responsible for the actions of your processors

> Section 8.6 GDPR > Part b. omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. That's a hard disclaimer if there's any. I read that as: if you're a European user, we do not believe you can legally enforce us to honor your rights, even though we operate within the EEA.

Worth a shot I suppose

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by jongjong »

rglullis wrote: post #181
jongjong wrote: post #172

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My experience is that before Musk, I felt like I was shadow-banned. No engagement. Also, as a consumer, the content was basically the same junk as all other media platforms. Now I feel like I'm getting all the latest news and things are actually happening. Small interactions between regular people are taking place again. It's not just some centralized mainstream broadcast platform as it used to be. It's way better.

You got a big corporation on the same team as you. Doesn't make them the good guys or "better" in any way. The fundamental principles are all broken.

Those who are against censorship and are against currency debasement are the good guys objectively.

Looking back over the past few years, it should be clear that the purpose of censorship was to suppress alternative (often correct) information about COVID policies.

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by monkeywork »

rtpg wrote: post #165
lacrimacida wrote: post #120

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It’s just hard to find. Google returns trash

It's wild to think about how anybody found info back in the day. Forums were probably the big one I guess? There was always something magical about being linked to forum and finding a wealth of info there, and entire domains of knowledge. FWIW stuff linked from HN & friends is not always the best, but I am pretty agressive about sticking RSS feeds from blogs that get linked here. That gives an inflow of interesting s…

webrings, IRC, forums and mailing lists, etc.

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by Grimblewald »

graypegg wrote: post #88
PenguinRevolver wrote: post #34

It's nice, the only problem I got with omg.lol is that Wayback Machine archives are unavailable for all domains. I'm concerned that this part of the internet won't be saved for others to see in the future.

That kind of sucks :( So much of the "small internet" of the past people talk about in relation to this stuff, is only really preserved in any significant scale by IA. Hope it's not the operator making a big sweeping decision for all users.

Some might argue that is the magic of it. It is much easier to be happy when you miss some things, and look forwars to others. Some listen to radio, or use streaming services in a radio like way (no skipping, no targeted searches) for the same reason, sure they could keep looping their favourite song on whatever platform, but its waaay more exciting when it comes on unexpectabtly.

Our interactions having a fleeting nature makes them more special and forces us to be more emotionally involved.

Just an alternative take, no a statment of my personal opinion.

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Post by lannisterstark »

frikk wrote: post #201
Ridj48dhsnsh wrote: post #194

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Not being indexed by search engines is a fatal flaw in my opinion. There might be some interesting discussions taking place on Mastodon, but I would have no way of knowing.

This is an interesting thought. As an analogy, there might be some interesting discussions happening at my local Community Center, or my neighbor's house, but I would have no way of knowing. But to discover these discussions, I would need to meet someone with a shared interest who would, in turn, share with me a place that they go to for continued discussions and to hang out with interesting people who share an inter…

Yes and wouldn't you like to join it?

If you had a way to search like "hey there's an interesting conversation going on at my local community center, maybe I will go and join their next session."

wouldn't you?

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Post by amne »

cderpz wrote: post #257
rusk wrote: post #246

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Also not legal in Europe where you absolutely are responsible for the actions of your processors

>omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. Oh dear. That is definitely not correct. The only way for omg.lol to not fall under the jurisdiction of the GDPR is to not offer their services to people living where it applies.

And how would the owner go about that? Implement expensive geo-fences and KYC processes for a market they are not interested in? If they (EU people) want to use it .. they should be able to without expecting the same protections as if the business operates in EEA.

How did we get here? To where If I spin up a webserver and charge for access now I'm suddenly forced to lick your middle finger because you have laws in your country saying so?

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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Post by rglullis »

jongjong wrote: post #264
rglullis wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You got a big corporation on the same team as you. Doesn't make them the good guys or "better" in any way. The fundamental principles are all broken.

Those who are against censorship and are against currency debasement are the good guys objectively. Looking back over the past few years, it should be clear that the purpose of censorship was to suppress alternative (often correct) information about COVID policies.

Even if I take your statements at face value: I'm talking about Twitter, not Musk. It would help if you stop conflating the two.

Re: Omg.lol: An Oasis on the Internet

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amne wrote: post #268
cderpz wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>omg.lol does not believe its processing of limited personal data of those outside the United States (if any) brings it within the jurisdiction of these laws. Oh dear. That is definitely not correct. The only way for omg.lol to not fall under the jurisdiction of the GDPR is to not offer their services to people living where it applies.

And how would the owner go about that? Implement expensive geo-fences and KYC processes for a market they are not interested in? If they (EU people) want to use it .. they should be able to without expecting the same protections as if the business operates in EEA. How did we get here? To where If I spin up a webserver and charge for access now I'm suddenly forced to lick your middle finger because you have laws in yo…

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