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Post by xkekjrktllss »

junofan wrote: post #220
medstrom wrote: post #113

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No experience myself, but from past comments on HN, I understand the company Amtrak provides pretty good service within the areas it can control. It's just that the US rail network prioritizes freight every time (even though legally it's not supposed to).

That’s the official party line, but it doesn’t quite capture the intense disorganization and indifference the company often presents to its riders.

those HN posters are just rabid libertarians hell bent on dragging any and all services that are not privately owned and operated for profit.

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Post by strken »

rowanG077 wrote: post #281
strken wrote: post #261

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It's comparatively safe. See e.g. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20503245221127301 . Cocaine is a very dangerous drug both because of its physical effects - cardiac issues, stroke, seizure - as well as its effect on risktaking. In order to "destroy your brain" using nitrous you need to take heroic quantities of it and get hypoxia: from memory somewhere near a hundred times the typical dose is required, and…

You don't seem to know the most basic reason why it is so dangerous, it's not hypoxia. The problem is that it oxidizes vitamin B12 which leads to demyelination and is neurotoxic even in a single dose(Although the harm seems to be reversible in that case). This is what causes the neurological symptoms. Personally I would much rather die from a heartattack or a stroke then never walk again.

Give me a source for B12 deficiency being serious enough that it's comparable to the health risks associated with cocaine, of all drugs. All the reports I'm aware of involve extreme levels of daily use, e.g. https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/fulltext/2020/09110/recreatio... ("75-100 canisters daily"). The idea that a single dose will oxidise enough B12 to be clinically significant is not supported by evidence, it's something you've made up, unless you're claiming a dose is made up of 75-100 canisters.

Personally I would rather compare the actual incident rates of side effects from drugs than make a false choice between the most extreme symptoms, particularly when one of them is a common and relatively safe form of anesthesia.

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Post by rowanG077 »

strken wrote: post #322
rowanG077 wrote: post #281

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You don't seem to know the most basic reason why it is so dangerous, it's not hypoxia. The problem is that it oxidizes vitamin B12 which leads to demyelination and is neurotoxic even in a single dose(Although the harm seems to be reversible in that case). This is what causes the neurological symptoms. Personally I would much rather die from a heartattack or a stroke then never walk again.

Give me a source for B12 deficiency being serious enough that it's comparable to the health risks associated with cocaine , of all drugs. All the reports I'm aware of involve extreme levels of daily use, e.g. https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/fulltext/2020/09110/recreatio... ("75-100 canisters daily"). The idea that a single dose will oxidise enough B12 to be clinically significant is not supported by evidence, it's som…

First off. It's really not nice throwing out terms like "it's something you've made up". But anyway here are some pointers why I think that Nitrous oxide is worse then cocaine, these are stats from the Netherlands because that's where I did the research:

A single dose shows traceable, but reverseable, neurotoxic effects in rats:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03064...

> Our findings demonstrate that short-term exposure of adult rats to N2O causes injury to PC/RSC neurons that is rapidly reversible, and prolonged N2O exposure causes neuronal cell death.

In the Netherlands the lower bound of people with paralysis, such as beeing unable to walk due to the effects of using Nitrous oxide is 64 in 2020. And that is by querying a subset of hospitals. These are indeed extreme usage cases. You also don't get a heart attack from snorting a few lines of coke.

https://nos.nl/artikel/2338520-64-mensen-met-gedeeltelijke-d...

This is much more then the yearly reported deaths for cocaine in the Netherlands. Which is reported to be 38 https://www.jellinek.nl/vraag-antwoord/hoe-vaak-gaat-er-iema....

If you compare the number of users in the netherlands you can see the picture how bad it actually is:

- Cocaine had 230k users in 2020

- Nitrous oxide had 290k users in 2020

https://www.trimbos.nl/actueel/nieuws/dit-zijn-de-opvallends....

This means you are much more likely to get paralysed by Nitrous oxide usage then you are to die from cocaine.

It's definitely not a good idea to label NO2 as a safe drug.

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Post by talldatethrow »

PromKwing wrote: post #107
throwme_123 wrote: post #105

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More details on this: https://x.com/restoreorderusa/status/1731058275720831262?s=2...

Why not throw the veterans under the bus as well though? Nope, it's just the "diversity hires" that are the problem lol.

Because the standards were drastically reduced when the diversity initiative was introduced.

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Post by mcphage »

talldatethrow wrote: post #325
mcphage wrote: post #111

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I’d love to hear your explanation on why diversity is so detrimental to being an air traffic controller.

It's not. It was the reduction of hiring standards that is a problem.

Well, in your comment that I was replying to, you were complaining about diversity.

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Post by mikrotikker »

aredox wrote: post #192
mikrotikker wrote: post #145

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What about the effects of an extremely wide and extremely quick deployment of a novel vaccine (under threat of being fired)?

What about the effects of repeat infections by a very contagious and neuro invasive novel virus? Hmmm?

Yes also that.

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Post by mikrotikker »

lostlogin wrote: post #182
zmgsabst wrote: post #150

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That we haven’t used mRNA gene therapies to treat a virus before.

Maybe not that widely, but the technique seems to have had prior usage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine

In bovines yes. And they laughed at Joe Rogan for using "horse medicine"

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Post by mikrotikker »

vel0city wrote: post #282
mikrotikker wrote: post #142

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Automatic emergency braking is fucking horrifying tho... It has false positives and can be dangerous.

I've only been in a car with two people who claim to get a lot of false positives on their AEB system while driving. Every time I saw a "false positive" it was almost always because they were driving very unsafely, trying to weave through heavy traffic at high speeds, approaching cars extremely rapidly and attempting to leave no room. In other words, not really false just not what the highly unsafe driver was wanting…

Nah my feet work and so do my eyes. I have had small accidents in the past and learned from them. I understand for people who don't learn or can't judge speed and need a crutch, but perhaps it's better they don't drive at all.

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Post by mikrotikker »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #186
mikrotikker wrote: post #142

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Automatic emergency braking is fucking horrifying tho... It has false positives and can be dangerous.

Is it more dangerous than people not braking because they are watching something on their phone?

Depends I guess.
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